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re: How can LSU be considered down graded at QB?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Holy shite. Lee had horrible games during that 8 stretch.
13 TD's 1 int in 8 games
That's more than JJ threw in two seasons in only 8 games fwiw.
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Posted on 5/2/12 at 4:52 pm to BayouBndt
what a dumbass writer. he will never be worth a frick based off saying something that stupid. You just can't recover from being that wrong
Posted on 5/2/12 at 6:51 pm to omegaman66
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hmmmm... let me think. Z. Lee dropped us for pro baseball, Mett is a stud, and we have the QB Oregon wanted. I won't add Rivers because everyone here thinks he sucks.
Yes it has taken Les 4 yrs to fix the problem. Hopefully Mett is as good as it seems, I hope so.
We shall see about the others.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:16 pm to Mayhawman
Double
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:16 pm to Mayhawman
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Yea, looks like UO is confident on QBs.
You obviously did not watch the Oregon Spring game... Although I know it's just the Spring Game, that kid had ME drooling
The Freshman that is, not Bennett
This post was edited on 5/2/12 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 5/2/12 at 7:40 pm to TheDoc
quote:Let's be realistic. Lee was benched for 2 int in 7 passes.....back to back int and you wouldn't bench him?
Lee was benched for throwing two interceptions in one game.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 11:12 pm to bojabu
quote:Yea, I really didn't get that, but I'm not privy to all the factors.
Not forever, no.
There was talk of Lee scrambling to remain eligible with make-up classes at the time.
Posted on 5/2/12 at 11:16 pm to BayouBndt
quote:Only from an experience standpoint.
How can LSU be considered down graded at QB?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 11:41 pm to bisonduck
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Mariota is better than him. Chip is a qb whisperer. Dixon, Thomas and now Bennett/Mariota. Dixon was considering baseball before he arrived on the scene.
And their performances against good defenses has been exceptional.
Good/great athletes in a gimmick offense can thrive, but do you really think they can have nearly the success in a pro style offense?
Posted on 5/2/12 at 11:46 pm to BayouBndt
A lot of people report what they Want to happen and spin it to support their argument.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:07 am to noonan
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And their performances against good defenses has been exceptional. Good/great athletes in a gimmick offense can thrive, but do you really think they can have nearly the success in a pro style offense?
Mariota came out of St. Louis High School in Honolulu, Hawaii and they've had quite a few D1 qbs.
Hi coach said the following:
"I can tell you right now, Marcus will be THE best passer of anyone (at Oregon)," Arceneaux said. "His throwing motion looks a lot like Andrew Luck's. He's a thrower first, a natural thrower with running ability."
After Mariota put up some staggering numbers in the 2010 season and led Saint Louis to the Hawaii state championship, Arceneaux said colleges from all over the country called about the star quarterback. But Mariota has stayed firm in his commitment to the Ducks.
"You don't know how many coaches have been knocking on my door asking if he's still committed to Oregon," Arceneaux said. "Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, everyone. You name the school, they've been here. But he's very excited about Oregon."
Hawaii has produced a handful of stellar college prospects in the past few years, and Arceneaux thinks Mariota has to be at the top of that list.
"He is probably one of the best quarterbacks to ever come out of Hawaii with all the intangibles," Arceneaux said. "He's a phenomenal athlete and he's got unbelievable speed. Him on the zone read, it's just not fair."
To answer your question: Masoli and Thomas weren't pro-style qbs. However, they both probably do better than Lee/Jefferson.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 12:09 am
Posted on 5/3/12 at 8:06 am to bisonduck
What exactly does any of that have to do with my comment?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:41 pm to Bleeding purple
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Both Jordan Jefferson and Jarrett Lee never developed into team leaders
Jarrett Lee developed into team leader and had it stripped away from him.
Nope. I hate to say it but he was a weak personality. He was not, and will never be, a leader. And to the other poster: JJ was definitely a leader. He was the strongest personality on the team. That's why Miles had to play him. He just sucked as a QB.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 12:54 pm to BayouBndt
No QB's in 2006 signed. Signed JL in 2007. Signed JJ in 2008. Signed Chris Garrett and RS in 2009. Signed none in 2010 according to DD's site, but I think Zach Lee signed that year. In 2011 got Rivers and Mettenburger.
Forgot about Andrew Hatch, who transferred from Harvard in 07 and was our starter in 08 once RP got kicked off, but then got injured during the Auburn game and we had to go with a third and fourth string QB the rest of the way and still won 8 games. Les's fault was not signing one in 2006.
I just chalk it up to bad luck. RP would have been fine if he stayed out of trouble. RS didn't pan out as a QB, yet was the highest rated spread qb. Zach Lee signed to play baseball. That is three guys that were highly rated that didn't pan out or signed with the MLB. Can't predict that stuff. Same can be said for all of the OL that left, got kicked off or didn't work out.
Forgot about Andrew Hatch, who transferred from Harvard in 07 and was our starter in 08 once RP got kicked off, but then got injured during the Auburn game and we had to go with a third and fourth string QB the rest of the way and still won 8 games. Les's fault was not signing one in 2006.
I just chalk it up to bad luck. RP would have been fine if he stayed out of trouble. RS didn't pan out as a QB, yet was the highest rated spread qb. Zach Lee signed to play baseball. That is three guys that were highly rated that didn't pan out or signed with the MLB. Can't predict that stuff. Same can be said for all of the OL that left, got kicked off or didn't work out.
This post was edited on 5/3/12 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:00 pm to noonan
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What exactly does any of that have to do with my comment?
Noonan - you asked if the qbs would thrive in pro-set. I gave you some supporting comments that Mariota is a thrower first and was recruited by Alabama and Arkansas (petrino). You ask me?
Regarding Dixon - he's a back up in the NFL.
Regarding Masoli - I wouldn't put him in a pro-set. I would put him there over JJ/Lee though.
Regarding Thomas - See above. Thomas would translate better than Masoli. One thing about Thomas was his decision making. He wasn't the most accurate but way better at decision making than JJ/LEE
Mariota/Bennett - Both these guys had offers to play in pro-style offenses. Both of these guys have the mechanics/throwing motion to be successful in that system.
Rodrigues - See the guys offer list.
Does that answer your comments?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 1:01 pm to BayouBndt
We will have more problems once mett goes pro next year. God I hope we play USC in the bcsng
Posted on 5/3/12 at 3:53 pm to bisonduck
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Does that answer your comments?
Not really. You said chip is the qb whisperer.
I said they are good athletes and thrive in that system but don't do shite against good competition. So you provide an incoming freshman as evidence that he develops pro style qb's?
Posted on 5/3/12 at 4:18 pm to noonan
Chip turned around Dixon's career and made him into a heiman candidate. Masoli showed up for fall camp in '08 with a hand injury and started 3 games into that season. Thomas was LSU's leftovers. So, yes, I think he has made them look better than they are. Chip even got Roper, tranferred to FCS Montana, after Dixon went down, to look like a good qb. Chip is good with qbs. New Hampshire had the most prolific passing attacks when Chip was in the FCS. He is good working with qbs.
As far as the qbs not doing anything against good competition. I am going to assume that means LSU because you probably wouldn't think Stanford/Wisconsin/USC or even Auburn (let's face it - their pass defense was terrible). Also, he had good games against them. Likewise, you mention he they were shite against good competition and the only bad performance Thomas had was against LSU. When you consider he had 2 new wide receivers, a new center, a new guard and a new tackle going against presumable the best secondary, I think he did alright. Lee had the same passer rating in the game and he got to go up against two freshman cornerbacks with a decent run game, a veteran oline and wide receiving corp that had a 2nd round draft pick.
I really want to be responsive to your comments, so please let me know how I can answer your question better.
As far as the qbs not doing anything against good competition. I am going to assume that means LSU because you probably wouldn't think Stanford/Wisconsin/USC or even Auburn (let's face it - their pass defense was terrible). Also, he had good games against them. Likewise, you mention he they were shite against good competition and the only bad performance Thomas had was against LSU. When you consider he had 2 new wide receivers, a new center, a new guard and a new tackle going against presumable the best secondary, I think he did alright. Lee had the same passer rating in the game and he got to go up against two freshman cornerbacks with a decent run game, a veteran oline and wide receiving corp that had a 2nd round draft pick.
I really want to be responsive to your comments, so please let me know how I can answer your question better.
Posted on 5/3/12 at 6:06 pm to bisonduck
That response is actually on topic. But your first one only talked about an incoming freshman. Which had nothing to do with my comment.
But also, most of your last post still doesn't provide much evidence of chips whispering ability vs what I said. Those players thrive in that gimmicky offense. But that offense doesn't work all that well against good defenses. Auburn shut y'all down pretty well too.
But to be fair, good defenses shut down offenses all the time.
But also, most of your last post still doesn't provide much evidence of chips whispering ability vs what I said. Those players thrive in that gimmicky offense. But that offense doesn't work all that well against good defenses. Auburn shut y'all down pretty well too.
But to be fair, good defenses shut down offenses all the time.
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