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Honest question here, but what is happening?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:15 am
I just look at this year's defense vs last year's and I'm having trouble making sense of it.
I get it, we lost a TON of talent... but the defense has been playing undisciplined the past couple of weeks and it's just not like us.
I have trouble blaming O -- it's not like CLM had a huge hand in the defense. Besides the loss of talent, what gives? It's more than being thin up front (though I know that sure doesn't help). Even guys that are in position to make plays just aren't making them.
I think we can fix it, at least somewhat, on the defensive side. But the offense... good God that O line.
I guess in the end we will see, just wanted to rant to the rant
I get it, we lost a TON of talent... but the defense has been playing undisciplined the past couple of weeks and it's just not like us.
I have trouble blaming O -- it's not like CLM had a huge hand in the defense. Besides the loss of talent, what gives? It's more than being thin up front (though I know that sure doesn't help). Even guys that are in position to make plays just aren't making them.
I think we can fix it, at least somewhat, on the defensive side. But the offense... good God that O line.
I guess in the end we will see, just wanted to rant to the rant
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:19 am to NewBootGoofin
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I have trouble blaming O
Everything rests on his shoulders which is why he's getting paid a lot of $$. If his position coaches aren't doing their job, it's his job to figure it out.
Meanwhile, a crappy product is being put on the field to the dismay of many of us fans.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:21 am to NewBootGoofin
I'm seeing lots of missed tackles this year, and that's not characteristic of Tiger defenses. It's not coaching because Aranda is one of the best. The players on the field are just not up to usual LSU standards.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:22 am to NewBootGoofin
watching the game it seems like the most talented dudes on the field are all freshmen.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:23 am to NewBootGoofin
It's quite simple. The JRs and SRs are not good at football (minus maybe Jackson) and the Freshman and Sophmores are making Freshman and Sophmore mistakes.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:23 am to tarzana
quote:Our young linebackers are getting better though.
I'm seeing lots of missed tackles this year, and that's not characteristic of Tiger defenses
I was as pissed as anyone after State, I thought we made some strides that can be corrected against Syracuse...both offensively and defensively. Lots of missed assignments on Offense. Lots of missed tackles on Defense. Fix those and we can get alot better in 2 weeks.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:24 am to tarzana
This is actually a new defense from last year. There was an interview with Aranda during the offseason, on how he molded what he usually runs around Beckwith because he's one of the best players on the defense AND the captain, so you have to. Now he's going back to what he usually does, relying more on speedy linebackers. Factor that in with the fact that we have so much inexperience on that side of the ball, it's straight up growing pains.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:25 am to NewBootGoofin
Hannagriff brought up a good point, in that they are trying other bodies in spots where there is concern. The problem is that most aren't filling the void, which points to a roster/talent issue. I do think this team is very talented on the outside positions but we are weak and/or thin overall in both trenches, which is killing us. Those aren't positions you can overhaul and upgrade quickly either.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:26 am to 1999
We replaced all that talent we lost with talent. The problem is they're all freshmen and learning on the fly. The thin D line is a problem because any successful defense starts up front.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:31 am to NewBootGoofin
Aranda is the same coach he was last year. He is an elite defensive coordinator. It's important to keep that in mind.
Youth and inexperience makes THAT big of a difference. And we definitely have a dearth of talent at DT.
The D will improve.
Youth and inexperience makes THAT big of a difference. And we definitely have a dearth of talent at DT.
The D will improve.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:33 am to NewBootGoofin
it is a very young group and my personal opinion is they don't know their assignments. I think they will get it, but right now they look confused and we don't have much of a D Line.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:35 am to NewBootGoofin
Like it or not a team is a mirror image of their head coach. That's the way it is and has always been.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:35 am to NewBootGoofin
I agree. I see lots of discipline issues. This can be expected with so much young talent on the field at once but it should be getting better with each game we play.
The other item that is not like us-our guys are "winded".
The other item that is not like us-our guys are "winded".
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:38 am to sicboy
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Factor that in with the fact that we have so much inexperience on that side of the ball, it's straight up growing pains.
I can't disagree with this analysis. The defense looks all-world for a series or two, then we have a breakdown. I think that trend line, overall, is in the right direction (although disappointing after how well they played against BYU).
And, honestly, I'm optimistic that the light can go on for the Oline - once they start gelling as a unit, I think we will see leaps and bounds improvement on offense. Maybe that's purple and gold tinted glasses, but that's how I see it. Talent shows on some plays - then it goes away. I think coaching and experience can do that some good.
I'm really concerned about ST, though. We haven't been good at ST since Joe Rob. And this year looks to be one of our worst units yet. That is going to bite us in a close game if we don't get a huge handle on it, ASAFP.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:39 am to NewBootGoofin
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I just look at this year's defense vs last year's and I'm having trouble making sense of it.
I get it, we lost a TON of talent... but the defense has been playing undisciplined the past couple of weeks and it's just not like us.
Our D is just like our fan base... fat young and spoiled.
We have no leadership and little depth.
Our older players are sloppy and not very good. Our younger players are making younger player mistakes.
This is exactly what a rebuilding year looks like.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:41 am to NewBootGoofin
quote:We lost a lot of skilled players. A skilled player is one with talent that gets coached up and has enough experience. We replaced those skills with some great young talent. Now that talent has to be converted to skills with experience and coaching. The most talented are getting early experience, and Aranda/Raymond/Jenkins will provide the coaching.
I get it, we lost a TON of talent... but the defense has been playing undisciplined the past couple of weeks and it's just not like us.
quote:Plenty of blame to go around. I expected that youth to be farther along. They weren't. That's on Aranda AND Orgeron (or all coaches in general).
I have trouble blaming O -- it's not like CLM had a huge hand in the defense. Besides the loss of talent, what gives?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:41 am to hophead
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our guys are "winded"
Definitely, it's not every year that you see that from an LSU group.
I'm just grossed out by how often our D is biting on fakes and making poor reads. It's gross
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:42 am to Ace Midnight
quote:I will say this, for the first time in a long time that when you are watching on TV, and all the blocking is being picked up. You can see it happen, and the play is pretty damn successful. We used to see us protect ok and heave it up to a sideline go route as our one and only option.
And, honestly, I'm optimistic that the light can go on for the Oline - once they start gelling as a unit, I think we will see leaps and bounds improvement on offense. Maybe that's purple and gold tinted glasses, but that's how I see it. Talent shows on some plays - then it goes away
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:44 am to NewBootGoofin
Anemic offense = defense that can’t get off the field = which leads to mistakes. Tired bodies equal tired minds and lack of mental focus.
Also youth on top of that and it will be a rough blend of factors.
Until the offense can sustain some momentum and get the defense some rest and favorable field positions to defend it will be more of the same.
Especially in the SEC meat of the schedule.
Also youth on top of that and it will be a rough blend of factors.
Until the offense can sustain some momentum and get the defense some rest and favorable field positions to defend it will be more of the same.
Especially in the SEC meat of the schedule.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:45 am to LSUFanHouston
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We have no leadership
I will say this, after the last Syracuse touchdown DJ went off on the secondary for a good 10 minutes. You could hear him 20 rows up just losing it, he gave special attention to Greedy.
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