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re: Hold Jay Johnson to the same standard as football and basketball coaches
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:45 pm to NotaStarGazer
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:45 pm to NotaStarGazer
Well Jay has something that Kelly hasn’t ever won on the big stage and he also has something Matt McLoser will never get.
Jay is by far the best coach on campus
Jay is by far the best coach on campus
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:46 pm to RB10
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“Hot” meaning ready in the pen you fricking waterhead.
I can't believe that baseball savant didn't know what "hot" meant in the context you presented it as.
Our fans are a special breed, for sure. Jay wins a title last year and pushed almost every right button down the stretch and the gurus all know better than he does.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:46 pm to ProjectP2294
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He doesn't understand very basic things. He's either retarded or in Jr High.
Another 4th grade level post. Hot can also mean a pitcher who is pitching very well...during the season....earlier in the series. I have never heard "hot" mentioned as having thrown enough in the bullpen. The term that everyone uses is "warm" or "warmed up". But hey, just make up terms out of nowhere. NO ONE used "hot" for being ready from the bullpen.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:46 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Johnson is incapable of making a stupid move in a baseball game. I understand...the perfect coach.
I don't think it was a stupid move. Playing the odds, I think it was the correct move when he made it. He didn't have the ability to know Jump would give up the lead, and you don't know if Ack would have fared any better. What we did know at the time was Ack has been shelled in more than a few outings this year, and Jump has been the best pitcher on staff for the latter half of this season. When your best pitcher is available for three outs to advance, you go with those odds every time. Sucks it didn't work out, but it not working out doesn't inherently a bad coaching decision. Baseball is a sport of failure
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:47 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I was surprised to hear Johnson say post-game that he already had his pitching set up BEFORE the game.
Why would you be surprised to hear that?
If there’s one thing we’ve seen from Jay Johnson, it’s that he knows how to plan out his postseason pitching. We saw it last year. We saw it this year in the SEC tournament. We saw it again this weekend when we held the #4 national seed to 3 runs through 9 innings, in our 5th game of the regional. In the most important game of the year, the bottom of our staff (without Little, to boot) outperformed our season ERA.
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Everyone here should know the concept...it is called "adjustments" and people crucify the FB and BB coaches when they don't.
Here’s a question: Since you seem to think Johnson was unwilling to deviate from his plan at all - do you think he planned to have Hellmers pitch 5.2 innings?
He had prepared for Jump to be available in the 9th if needed. He made a judgement call once he got there to bring in our best pitcher, up 1 run, and let him close out the game. It didn’t work out.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:48 pm to medtiger
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Starters aren't accustomed to being brought into dirty innings. MLB managers talk about this in the post season every season when this situation presents itself. But random TD poster is going to tell everyone what the CORRECT thing to do was.
Starters are used as relivers, successfully, all the time at every level of baseball in the postseason. All those coaches who do it must be stupid because user medtiger knows what the correct thing to do is
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:50 pm to NotaStarGazer
Are you out of your mind?
If anything we hold baseball to a higher standard than the rest of the sports here.
If anything we hold baseball to a higher standard than the rest of the sports here.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:51 pm to lsufball19
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Playing the odds
This is exactly it. Its why the shift is infuriating if it doesn't work and why fans bitch and moan about it. But it wouldn't be a thing if it didn't work more often than not. Going to Jump was the absolute right decision in the moment. Listening to Jay after the game - he said he wanted to win it in 9 innings because they weren't seeing anything that gave them confidence in the hitters to score if UNC did. He wanted it over right then and there. Jump was the best bet to get them 3 outs agains the bottom of the order. Neither of the hits was good contact - hell, Gallher fell to a knee and poked it to left and had Wilkerson been using a wooden bat, he would've needed a new one. That's just baseball sometimes.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:52 pm to NotaStarGazer
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BTW, since some of here won't admit when they are wrong, I will
Will you admit that the Yankees closer didn’t have a 0.00 ERA “just the other day”?
Will you admit coaching to win one game per week (football) isn’t the same as having to win a baseball tournament with exhausted players and depleted pitching?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:54 pm to lsufball19
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I don't think it was a stupid move. Playing the odds, I think it was the correct move when he made it. He didn't have the ability to know Jump would give up the lead, and you don't know if Ack would have fared any better. What we did know at the time was Ack has been shelled in more than a few outings this year, and Jump has been the best pitcher on staff for the latter half of this season.
Thanks for the rare intelligent post on this even though I disagree. You are correct. I didn't know Jump would give up the lead. I didn't know Ack would have mowed them down again in the 9th either. But once again, the pitcher who is proving himself in the game deserves the benefit until he proves otherwise. And yes, I have already mentioned Ack's 6.0 ERA and he is the most streaky pitcher IMO on the staff...very good or very bad. Well, last night he was showing himself very good. 3 Ks in 3 batters faced. I like the odds of him a lot better in 1 single game than a starter who hadn't faced one batter all night. I'm playing the odds also.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:55 pm to NotaStarGazer
He did adjust. He left Hellmer in way longer than he planned to
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:55 pm to NotaStarGazer
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You're a top 5 worst poster on this website. Something to truly be proud Actually I'm more proud that a totally clueless poster like you probably believes that. If I'm known by my enemies here, than I must be doing something right.
The delusion is strong with this one.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:55 pm to NotaStarGazer
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the correct move would be to bring Jump in as needed since Ackenhausen was on a roll. BTW, NOT an Ackenhausen fan normally. A 6.0 ERA is not All American and this is what his season ERA was.
Yeah, try not to make it too obvious what your thread would have been if that first batter in the 9th against Ack would have hit a homerun. Sigh
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:57 pm to NotaStarGazer
Eh you can say you wish he left Ack in but to make any comparison between the flow of the game or adjustments between baseball and other sports is idiotic
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:58 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I agree with that. Starters also aren't acccustomed to suddenly being relief pitchers....period.
So you would rather let Jump inherit runners if/when Ack falls apart than letting our best pitcher start with a clean inning against the bottom of their order?
Interesting strategy bud.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:58 pm to upgrade
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If anything we hold baseball to a higher standard than the rest of the sports here
WOW!!!! just wow! You must not come here for football or basketball season. Have you not read the THOUSANDS of posts crucifying Matt McMahon and annoiting Will Wade as the John Wooden of our time. Have you not seen the football coaches dumped on who haven't been here for years and years like Les Miles for example. And Orgeron apparently never won a game at LSU much less a NC. That may be the funniest post in the history of this board. Baseball is not remotely held to the same standard as football for example because LSU = football. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:59 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I was surprised to hear Johnson say post-game that he already had his pitching set up BEFORE the game. I can understand obviously the starter but the way he handled the 9th is still utterly ridiculous. Once again, the CORRECT thing to do is to bring out Ackenhausen for the 9th and if he puts anybody on base then you bring in Jump....I have no problem with Jump pitching IF NEEDED!
But let's compare Johnson's own statement with say LSU football or basketball coaches. Those coaches and Johnson are supposed to take into the flow of the game. Everyone here should know the concept...it is called "adjustments" and people crucify the FB and BB coaches when they don't. Well, Johnson did NOT adjust to Ackenhausen pitching lights out in the 8th...3 Ks in 3 batters. So yeah, to predetermine the change of pitchers in the 9th for 0 reason at all for this game was stupid! Sorry, it was and that isn't hindsight at all. That is called "game time adjustments". In this case, if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
I think the analogy is wrong.
But, I think Jay's explaination deserves criticism as well. He didn't expect Hellmers to go 5+. But, he let him do it because he was extremely effective.
If he wanted Jump to close the game more than anyone else, he just needs to say that. "I wanted to go with our best pitcher, and I'd do it again."
...and I have no idea if your representation of Johnson's comments were fair because I haven't listened to him yet.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:59 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I have also said umpteen times "as needed." Under the circumstances there was 0 evidence starting the 9th inning that Jump was needed
preserving a 1 run lead tin the 9th inning to avoid your season ending is about "as needed" as you're going to get in baseball
Posted on 6/4/24 at 4:00 pm to NotaStarGazer
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NotaStarGazer
You seem to enjoy informing people how stupid you are on multiple boards. Remember when our LB commit Charles Ross was good enough for Blake Baker but not good enough for you? Dipshit
Posted on 6/4/24 at 4:00 pm to NotaStarGazer
What a shite thread lol
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