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re: Hines out for the Bowl
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:09 am to MegaTiger3
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:09 am to MegaTiger3
That's tough, I thought Hines was the better player out of he and Brumfield this season. The question I would have is if Ingram is allowed back on the team what happens with Lewis and Hines.
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Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:14 am to boxcar willie
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What are the ramifications of a loss and the benefits of a win for the program?
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One of the ramifications of a win is that it shuts the negatards up on this board for the next eight months
C'mon man. You're never gonna shut people up. Some people have their opinions about the coaches and they will never change. It's been the same way for several different coaches for several years. But, that doesn't answer the question. Of course all of us as fans want to see LSU win that doesn't make the game meaningful or impactful for the program though.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:18 am to TigerLunatik
The ramifications, win or lose, are all about optics. No game ACTUALLY means anything if we want to be technical (or just plain honest with ourselves). But you don't want to go out and lose to a non power 5 team, no matter how many national championships they've imagined that they have. It just doesn't look good when you're trying to sell your program.
And I know the playoffs have screwed up the meaning of the major bowls considerably, but it still IS a major bowl. Winning it would at least give the impression that the team is nudging out of neutral.
And I know the playoffs have screwed up the meaning of the major bowls considerably, but it still IS a major bowl. Winning it would at least give the impression that the team is nudging out of neutral.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:28 am to boxcar willie
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One of the ramifications of a win is that it shuts the negatards up on this board for the next eight months. The ones that do talk are going to look even more stupid than usual
Is that all you're worried about? The critics?
When you look back to last offseason, do you think the ND loss dominated the talk or was it more about how dismal our QB situation appeared, and how we lost out on Surtain and Goodrich?
If you think a win will overshadow any legitimate concerns about this football team going forward you are sadly mistaken.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:31 am to Metaloctopus
Of course, you always want to go out and play your best and win every game. I'm definitely not saying that the players should approach it any differently. This conversation started because someone said "everyone says this game is meaningless" and I can only presume that's because of the conversation about Greedy. The 2 main reasons I've seen as an argument as to why LSU needs to win the game is because of recruiting and momentum for off season. The last two years directly contradict that statement. That's why I said it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things. We we all be pulling like crazy for the Tigers to win as always.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:37 am to boxcar willie
“ it’s a huge game”
If we can sneak in the to the top 10 that will be nice, but it certainly will not be huge with a 5-3 SEC record.
We were 9-3 in 2015 while playing one less game. If we had played that game and become 10-3 , I certainly wouldn’t seen that one more win as huge for LSU football and probably not many others would have either.
It honestly makes me wonder what’s going on when 10 win season goes from, anyone can win 10 games at LSU, to, winning a 10th game would be huge.
If we can sneak in the to the top 10 that will be nice, but it certainly will not be huge with a 5-3 SEC record.
We were 9-3 in 2015 while playing one less game. If we had played that game and become 10-3 , I certainly wouldn’t seen that one more win as huge for LSU football and probably not many others would have either.
It honestly makes me wonder what’s going on when 10 win season goes from, anyone can win 10 games at LSU, to, winning a 10th game would be huge.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:47 am to boxcar willie
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One of the ramifications of a win is that it shuts the negatards up on this board for the next eight months. The ones that do talk are going to look even more stupid than usual
What happens after a loss?
How does beating UCF with a backup QB prove anything about the state of the program? Us NegaEaux don’t believe he’s got what it takes to lead LSU to a championship, and were only vindicated this year in the losses.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:06 am to MegaTiger3
Not including Greedy sitting out, how many starters will be out for the bowl game? It seems like it it’s half a dozen at least.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:24 am to TigerLunatik
I don't know how the last two years are a contradiction to those arguments. LSU has missed out on some big fish in recruiting that they used to catch. And I don't think there is any question that it's because there has been a steady decline that has now kind of become stuck in neutral, and LSU has a head coach with no real credibility, at this point.
And this is why LSU doesn't play for any kind of championships, anymore. You gotta win more big games to earn some credibility. The Fiesta bowl is still a big deal to most people, despite how meaningless some want to make every bowl game out to be. The cure bowl is meaningless. Unless you are ULL and Tulane. Different standards for different programs.
And this is why LSU doesn't play for any kind of championships, anymore. You gotta win more big games to earn some credibility. The Fiesta bowl is still a big deal to most people, despite how meaningless some want to make every bowl game out to be. The cure bowl is meaningless. Unless you are ULL and Tulane. Different standards for different programs.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:29 am to TigerRagAndrew
Orgeron and LSU far outperformed expectation. LSU played a very tough schedule. Much tougher than 2017. Orgeron inherited a very flawed roster. More kickers than linebackers. Only 9offensive lineman. Below,avg QB position group. He got,Burrow Tracey and Alexander.
He has built a QB position group and a QB recruiting pipeline that we have not had in decades. He has gotten the running back position group solved. Linebacker room solved. Corner backs dnSafety solved. Broke the Miles methodology of not recruiting offensive tackles. We are significantly improved across the board.
The 2018 offensive line was below avg for,the SEC. we have been average at best on the line of scrimmage since 2013.
It is clear that our strength quickness explosion and agility has far fallen below Alabama. Mod fit has to,step up and evolve.
When you guys understate and ignore significant progress you lose all credibility
He has built a QB position group and a QB recruiting pipeline that we have not had in decades. He has gotten the running back position group solved. Linebacker room solved. Corner backs dnSafety solved. Broke the Miles methodology of not recruiting offensive tackles. We are significantly improved across the board.
The 2018 offensive line was below avg for,the SEC. we have been average at best on the line of scrimmage since 2013.
It is clear that our strength quickness explosion and agility has far fallen below Alabama. Mod fit has to,step up and evolve.
When you guys understate and ignore significant progress you lose all credibility
Posted on 12/15/18 at 11:38 am to MegaTiger3
Meh, doesnt matter much to me. We arent playing for a championship, so its a glorified scrimmage.
In 10 years if bowl games still exist, they will be even less significant to fans and teams. And we will look back and realize how dumb it was to care so much about meaningless bowl games
In 10 years if bowl games still exist, they will be even less significant to fans and teams. And we will look back and realize how dumb it was to care so much about meaningless bowl games
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:30 pm to Metaloctopus
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I don't know how the last two years are a contradiction to those arguments. LSU has missed out on some big fish in recruiting that they used to catch.
LSU beat the shite out of Louisville and embarrassed the Heisman Trophy winner. The following season had two of the worst losses in a long, long time even perhaps ever. Then, after recruiting throughout that entire season signed the lowest ranked recruiting class in over a decade and lost in a really bad way to ND in last year's bowl game.
Fast forward through the offseaon and LSU embarases a Miami in the first game, beats Auburn on the road and then humiliated UGA. Now, after recruiting for a year after that bowl loss LSU has a top 5 recruiting class.
The arguments have been made that the bowl game can affect recruiting but, the last two seasons bowl results don't reflect that. The other argument of having a productive off season also don't reflect the results of the outcomes of those two bowl games.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:35 pm to mhc4tigers
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More kickers than linebackers. Only 9offensive lineman.
You have to stop this nonsense. It invalidates everything else you try to get across.
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When you guys understate and ignore significant progress you lose all credibility
As do you when you overstate the alleged problems he inherited.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:46 pm to TigerLunatik
If you're arguing a bowl game as a lone entity with it's own gravitational pull, so to speak, then I'd agree with your premise.
But my argument is about winning big games to show recruits that you are moving in the right direction. The whole season counts, and that includes the bowl game. LSU hasn't played in a major bowl in 7 years, until now. Beating a three loss Louisville team in the Citrus bowl was nice, but hardly a "big" win.
Losing to Troy and getting blown out by Mississippi State was embarrassing last year. But that same LSU team turned around and beat an Auburn team that was light years better than this year's Auburn. LSU's coaching is a mess. It's why they have had such a hard time gaining momentum as a program.
Now this year, LSU somehow managed to blowout a legitimate top 5 team. Recruiting is going well. If you want to keep it that way, you have to keep winning big games.
But my argument is about winning big games to show recruits that you are moving in the right direction. The whole season counts, and that includes the bowl game. LSU hasn't played in a major bowl in 7 years, until now. Beating a three loss Louisville team in the Citrus bowl was nice, but hardly a "big" win.
Losing to Troy and getting blown out by Mississippi State was embarrassing last year. But that same LSU team turned around and beat an Auburn team that was light years better than this year's Auburn. LSU's coaching is a mess. It's why they have had such a hard time gaining momentum as a program.
Now this year, LSU somehow managed to blowout a legitimate top 5 team. Recruiting is going well. If you want to keep it that way, you have to keep winning big games.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:52 pm to Metaloctopus
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If you're arguing a bowl game as a lone entity with it's own gravitational pull, so to speak, then I'd agree with your premise.
That's my position on the bowl game because I just don't think one game is going to sway a recruit either way if there are some on the fence in February.
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But my argument is about winning big games to show recruits that you are moving in the right direction. The whole season counts, and that includes the bowl game. LSU hasn't play in a major bowl in 7 years. Beating a three loss Louisville team in the Citrus bowl was nice, but hardly a "big" win.
This is a very good point. Obviously it's important to play your very best for every game and winning that 10th game can only be a positive thing.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 12:53 pm to MegaTiger3
It matters because he has to improve on or at least match 2015 or GTFO. Seat immediately hot again with 9-4 and 3 out of 5 losses to end the season and a shitty win against Arky.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:00 pm to TigerLunatik
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That's my position on the bowl game because I just don't think one game is going to sway a recruit either way if there are some on the fence in February.
From that angle, I agree. I'm not going to sit here and say that this is going to make or break the program. You're arguing with people who are taking it to that extreme, and I'm arguing with those who say it doesn't matter at all.
I think it matters, because it's the cumulative effect of beating good teams and establishing consistency. I have made no secret that I'm not a believer in Ed Orgeron's ability to succeed long term, or move the program forward. But I want to see him do just that, nevertheless.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:07 pm to Metaloctopus
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You're arguing with people who are taking it to that extreme
Isn't that the way of the rant? Most everything is taken to the extreme one way or the other.
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I'm arguing those who say it doesn't matter at all.
I think it matters very little, but I understand your position on it. I don't really see it as an actual argument. There's very little way to prove the results one way or another. It's really all just each person's view. Hopefully we win the game and we won't need to discuss this anymore.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:08 pm to boxcar willie
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One of the ramifications of a win is that it shuts the negatards up on this board for the next eight months. The ones that do talk are going to look even more stupid than usual
No matter how this game finishes, Ed Orgeron should not be the HC at LSU, and Steve Ensminger definitely shouldn’t be the OC.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 1:10 pm to TigerLunatik
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don't think one game is going to sway a recruit either way if there are some on the fence in February.
No matter how many games in a row UCF has won, beating them will have no bearing on a recruit’s decision.
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