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re: Here is what the "Wizard" Gary Crowton has done at LSU

Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:03 am to
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:03 am to
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Do you really think the 107 ranking is primarily due to coaching?


We have more talent on our offense than arguable every team we've played, except for maybe Florida or Bama.

So if they're not performing, yea, it's on the coaches.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 5:13 am to
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not too many offenses are geared towards inexperienced QBs coming straight in and lighting shite up. Especially in the South with our preponderance of HSs with "athlete" type QBs that just run around and use their legs and thrive on broken plays.

Someone will come into this thread and say matt barkley and i will say "started 4 years in high school in a sophisticated pro style offense"


Stanford QB???

And please don't try to use the PAC 10 defense vs SEC defense to explain the difference between like 20th and 107th in the nation.
Posted by LSUnKaty
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:57 am to
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Actually it was his 2nd year that he dropped off, which is exactly what happened. The reason it didnt get more attention was because the defense sucked major balls last year

Could it be that the reason some people give Crowton a pass on this is because he was stuck with a red shirt freshman QB as a starter last year and is dealing with a true sophomore as a starter this year?

Could this have a little bit to do with the stats from 08 and 09?
Posted by L S Usetheforce
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:00 am to
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Could this have a little bit to do with the stats from 08 and 09?


About 20%.....The other 80% has come from predictability
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:38 am to
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Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:43 am to
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Could it be that the reason some people give Crowton a pass on this is because he was stuck with a red shirt freshman QB as a starter last year and is dealing with a true sophomore as a starter this year?

Could this have a little bit to do with the stats from 08 and 09?



Yeah that's it. I'm sure none of the other 100 plus teams ranked ahead if LSU are starting a soph QB

I can't wait until Crowton gets a 5th year senior QB.....then look out....2012 here we come!!!
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:43 am to
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Posted by lsu xman
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:47 am to
2011 JL will be a 5th yr SR.
Posted by Big Fat
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:49 am to
I dont like Gary Crowton, he's a bad man.
Posted by cajunjj
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 8:53 am to
Can u say lou tepper boy's & girls.
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:04 am to
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Total Offense

2007: 439.43 yards per game
2008: 368.08 yards per game
2009: 310.00 yards per game


I am not defending Crowton, however, in 2007, we had a senior QB, and 4 first round draft picks...

In 2008...we have a Harvard transfer and JL as the starters at QB

This year, JJ is the starter as a true soph with 2 starts under his belt...Look no further than the QB to see the problems.

with that said, I would like to see a new OC next year
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:05 am to
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Then why are there so many other teams "breaking in QBs" who are ranked WAYYYY higher than like 107th???


Cause they have an OLine that can either protect the QB or open running lanes? Our OL has trouble with both.

Football 1 says QB and OL are BY FAR the most important aspects of offense. When you are inexperienced in one area and simpley poor in the other, you get a bad offensive team.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:10 am to
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I can't wait until Crowton gets a 5th year senior QB.....then look out....2012 here we come!!!


Well, I can't wait until we get a formidable running game and Jefferson learns to pull the trigger a bit quicker.

You totally underestimate the tangible issues that occur when your OL can't block or protect and you ask an inexperienced QB to make plays.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:19 am to
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BTW, that 2009 Soph QB is playing better than the 2007 Senior QB



Um, no.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:20 am to
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And please don't try to use the PAC 10 defense vs SEC defense to explain the difference between like 20th and 107th in the nation.



fantastic

because obviously our schedule is equivalent to Stanford's schedule
Posted by LSUnKaty
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 9:55 am to
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Yeah that's it. I'm sure none of the other 100 plus teams ranked ahead if LSU are starting a soph QB
As far as I know, there are 0 teams with better records or ahead of LSU in any major poll who are starting Soph QBs. Am I missing something?
Posted by lesjulia
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:06 am to
;o) are you REALLY Craig FergusoN, are you "THE" Craig Ferguson, the one, the only
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:08 am to
we've had this problem before. Remember Mauck's first year to start? Then in 04? We were still able to ram the ball down their throats.

Now we can't run OR pass.
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:09 am to
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because obviously our schedule is equivalent to Stanford's schedule
honest question...what is the best way to compare schedules? Is there a SOS ranking?
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 10:16 am to
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honest question...what is the best way to compare schedules? Is there a SOS ranking?



according to cbs sportsline LINK
Stanford has the 71 toughest schedule

LSU has the 47th toughest schedule

but I wasn't really talking about the schedule itself but the defenses on the schedule

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