re: Head coach winning percentages

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settle for.

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If 51 wins, 3 top 6 rankings, 4 top 17 rankings in 5 seasons, 5 bowl trips in 5 seasons, 2 BCS bowl wins, 2 West title in 5 seasons, and SEC title, and a NC is settling...well, give me another big helping of that settling.

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If 51 wins, 3 top 6 rankings, 4 top 17 rankings in 5 seasons, 5 bowl trips in 5 seasons, 2 BCS bowl wins, 2 West title in 5 seasons, and SEC title, and a NC is settling...well, give me another big helping of that settling.

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If he does that over the next five years, you'll be correct.

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also is they sustained that level of winning.

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Well, you must be happy cause the "winning" was not only sustained, but bettered.

48 to 51

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One can have an opinion and my opinion is there is a 50/50 shot if Les were to be replaced LSU could find a capable coach.

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Capable is 51 wins over 5 years? Sure there is a "50/50" shot (if you want to call it that) to hire a guy who wins 8 or 9 games a year, but you all will fire him after his third year of doing that. The only way your gamble (fire a high performer, both on the field and recruiting) pays off is if you get somebody better. Somebody "just as good as Miles" would be a wash and "capable" is definitely subject to interpretation.

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Mac's last 5 years were 5-6, 7-3-1, 8-4, 8-4, 7-5.

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Stovall went 7-4, 3-7-1, 8-3-1, and 4-7. Nice upgrade.

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The problem with your premise is you assume that because someone won in the past, they will continue to win the future.

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That's all everything is based on - wins and losses. Yes there are things around the program that can detract, but a losing program, no matter what kind of character, image and class the coach and the players have is going to lead to a change, except at Vanderbilt, in the SEC.

BUT MILES IS WINNING - MILES WINS BALLGAMES AT A GREATER PACE THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN WON AT LSU. And the program is run as cleanly as a big league SEC program can be run, so far. THIS CRITICISM IS INANE. JUST SAY NO TO THE SABANISTAS. SABAN WILL NEVER BE THE COACH AT LSU AGAIN - NEITHER WILL GRUDEN, COWHER, DEL RIO, BUTCH DAVIS OR A HOST OF OTHER PIPE DREAMS. This is unhealthy. Should the unthinkable happen - a losing season in 2010, or Michigan successfully gets their man to come home to mama, the BEST we can hope for is Will Muschamp or Gary Patterson. I would have liked to make a run at Pelini or Kelly, but those ships have sailed.

We lucked out the last two times we hired head coaches. We may not be so lucky a third time, especially running off a guy at 75%.

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10+ wins for 5 seasons,

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I don't think lord jehova gump did that. In fact NS=9.6 Ws, CLM= 10.2 Ws.
So you want to fire a coach with 10.2 for a coach with 10Ws?

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. If you are not going to look at the big picture then it is fruitless to argue because you will only repeat yourself.

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You spoke of sustaining and I opined that it had been. Nothing more and nothing less.

Nick didn't win 18 games in his 1st 2 seasons cause the LSU football program was dying on the vine when he got here. He won cause of his ability and the players here when he got here.

If your "big picture" doesn't include the recruiting done by GD, then your "big picture" is neither big nor correct. imo

Was the program in better shape in 05 than 00? Of course, but 51 wins, 2 west titles, an SEC title, 2 bcs bowl wins, 3 top 5 ranking and a top 17 ranking in 4 seasons, and NC did come bout by accident or without a lot of hard work being done from 05 to 09.

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Stovall went 7-4, 3-7-1, 8-3-1, and 4-7. Nice upgrade.

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Maybe had he lived Rein would have done better, the thing is you have no idea if Mac would have done better or worse. You seem to think change is automatically bad and that a past winner will always win. That how you get stuck with mediocrity and in CFB 8-4 is mediocre for a team like LSU. Its the mentality of people like you that Tennessee fell from elite top 5 team to fringe top 15-20 team. Fulmer won bid in the 90's, then a decade of no BCS, no SEC titles is that what you want?

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BUT MILES IS WINNING - MILES WINS BALLGAMES AT A GREATER PACE THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN WON AT LSU

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The pace is skewed by the first 3 years. The last 2 we are 10-9 against BCS teams, 8-8 in the SEC. That sucks frankly given the talent and resources LSU has at our disposal.

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THIS CRITICISM IS INANE

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really, are you dense? Just because he won a NC and 11 games 3 years in a row (years fading into the past), you think its inane to critize decisions like the co DC after Pelini left. The total bungling of the QB situation by rely on 1 or 2 guys? Butchering the clock at the end of the OM game? Those are all ok because he started 34-6?

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JUST SAY NO TO THE SABANISTAS. SABAN WILL NEVER BE THE COACH AT LSU AGAIN - NEITHER WILL GRUDEN, COWHER, DEL RIO, BUTCH DAVIS OR A HOST OF OTHER PIPE DREAMS

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I agree, those are not the only good coaches in the world however.

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We may not be so lucky a third time,

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That depends on how a search is handled.

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Mac's last 5 years were 5-6, 7-3-1, 8-4, 8-4, 7-5.


Stovall went 7-4, 3-7-1, 8-3-1, and 4-7. Nice upgrade.

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Well, for one thing, that did include our first win over Alabama since 1970 and our first major bowl appearance since 1973, so in some ways it was an upgrade. Also, it can legitimately be argued that McClendon's recruiting problems near the end are what led to the 3-7-1 season in 1981, although I think Stovall should have done better than that. Still, in spite of his up and down tenure, his recruiting stocked the team with lots of talent, which led to a very successful 5-year stretch beginning the year after he was fired, which included 2 SEC championships, 2 Sugar Bowl appearances, and one of the top 10 won-lost records in college football over that time period. However, the more important point is...

Stovall wasn't his replacement. Bo Rein was. Stovall was an emergency last-second choice after Rein was killed. Still, even in all that chaos and the firing of Stovall in 1984, we were better in the first nine years after Mac left than we were in the last nine years he was here. The idea that getting rid of Mac plunged our program into a tailspin is just flat out revisionist history. The program did not really fall off until ten years later in 1989, when Mike Archer's inability to recruit started taking its toll.

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BUT MILES IS WINNING - MILES WINS BALLGAMES AT A GREATER PACE THAN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN WON AT LSU.

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A record that is skewed by an uncharacteristically good record in the first three years after inheriting a team that was ready to explode. At Oklahoma State, his record was skewed by an uncharacteristically bad record in the first two years after inheriting a program that was devoid of talent and a winning mentality. In both cases, after the initial uncharacteristic performance that was dictated by what he inherited, the program gravitated to Les Miles' actual "true" level in his next two years...17-9 at LSU and 16-9 at Oklahoma State.

There is not one single person on this planet, not even Les Miles himself, who thinks Les Miles will equal in his next five years the record and accomplishments of his first five. It is obvious that he will never again reach the heights he briefly reached in 2005 through 2007.

If you project Les Miles' records of the last two years over the next five, then that would mean a record of about 42-23 over the five year period. If you project his record of the first three years over the next five years, you would get a record of about 55-10. If you had to bet your life on which one of these hypothetical records would be closer to what his actual results will be (or would be if he lasts that long), which one would you bet on? Anyone answering that question honestly would say they would bet on 42-23 being closer because, bottom line, his last two years are closer to what his next five will be like than his first three years are.

You don't hire or fire a coach based on how his previous years went, you hire or fire him based on how his future years are likely to go. Past years can give some insight into what future years will be like, but the real issue is always how the future years will go.

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We lucked out the last two times we hired head coaches.

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Not really. In 1999, we had a very good chancellor who did a good job of finding and hiring the right coach. In 2005, we took what was available at the bargain price we were offering, and the jury is still very much out on whether he was the right coach for the job. Neither case was luck. We made our own luck, good or bad, in both cases.

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Not really. In 1999, we had a very good chancellor who did a good job of finding and hiring the right coach. In 2005, we took what was available at the bargain price we were offering,

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We got VERY lucky with Saban. Noone outside of the Big 10 ever heard of him and he a mediocre to shitty tenure at Michigan State.