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re: Head coach winning percentages
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:02 pm to Spirit of Dunson
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:02 pm to Spirit of Dunson
When Les took over LSU and Saban took over the program LSU was in the same state right? Wrong. Also what has Les done head to head versus Saban in the SEC race the last 2 years? Is that a good gage? Head to head and against SEC competition. 16-0 versus 8-8. Also are championships a good measuring stick? 2 SEC West Titles and 1 National Title in 2 years to nothing for Les. Are championships a good measure of comparison?
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Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:07 pm to peopleschamp
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When Les took over LSU and Saban took over the program LSU was in the same state right? Wrong. Also what has Les done head to head versus Saban in the SEC race the last 2 years? Is that a good gage? Head to head and against SEC competition. 16-0 versus 8-8. Also are championships a good measuring stick? 2 SEC West Titles and 1 National Title in 2 years to nothing for Les. Are championships a good measure of comparison?
BOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:13 pm to DunbartonTiger
yes but he had poliny or how ever you spell his name and that was the coach we should have kept and sent miles to nebraska. Unless you ahve a great head coach you had better have greta assistant coaches to help you and our offensive genuis of a coach is no genuis.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:15 pm to DunbartonTiger
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.i personallyhopes he wins the championship then tells lsu to go frick theirselves after all the criticism.
And this is what makes you the shitty "fan" you are.
You want LSU to lose a good coach (not only your opinion but one that would be confirmed if he won the championship this year) just to vindicate Les Miles' (and more importantly YOUR) ego. You actually have more loyalty to Les Miles and your own insecurities than to LSU. That's why you are not, and never will be, a fan.
A fan wants the best for LSU. If he thinks the current coach isn't the best for LSU, he wants a different coach. If he turns out to be wrong and the current coach is the best for LSU, he wants LSU to keep him. No one would be happier than I if Les Miles goes undefeated, wins the NC and goes on to be the most successful coach in college football history in a long career at LSU. Whether he proves he's a great coach and stays at LSU, or turns out to be a bad one and is replaced by someone better, either scenario works out good for LSU, which is what any fan of LSU wants.
But you, because you aren't an LSU fan, actually want him to prove he's a great coach and then leave LSU, which could only hurt LSU. All your blustering about who is or isn't an LSU fan is just so much bullshite to cover your own disloyalty to the school and your own desire to see it suffer the loss of someone you think is a great coach. How anybody could want the worst for LSU and then presume to lecture anyone else on being a fan of LSU is beyond comprehension. You are the biggest hypocrite and the worst fan that LSU has.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:23 pm to Jaketigger
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With that said, the HEAD coach gets ALL of the praise when things are going great - hence quickest to reach 50 wins - and ALL of the blame when they are not.
Unless your name is Saban or Miles.
Some on here would have you believe Nick gets credit for 8 seasons at LSU and Miles gets credit for two.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:28 pm to Nuts4LSU
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How anybody could want the worst for LSU and then presume to lecture anyone else on being a fan of LSU is beyond comprehension. You are the biggest hypocrite and the worst fan that LSU has.
THANK YOU Nuts4LSU WELL SAID. Please let me add if I might...
AND HE IS A BANJO PLAYING, COUSIN frickING, shite EATING BIGGOT!!!! (see his previous comments on "white" qb versus running style qb...)
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:30 pm to DunbartonTiger
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Chris Garrett didn't have what it takes...obviously
It couldn't have been all that obvious, or a guy getting paid $4 million a year to know these things would have known it before he wasted a scholarship and a year on him.
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It was believed all along zach lee would have stayed
The percentage of first-round MLB draft picks who sign is very high. It is always ridiculous to depend on one not signing. To plan the future of the QB situation around a first round MLB draft pick passing up seven figures was a huge blunder, as was cutting the only scholarship QB who would still be around in 2012 without knowing what Z. Lee was going to do.
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It is getting harder and harder to find a pro-style qb inhigh-school football and that is what it takes to win in the SEC.
I wouldn't call Tebow a "pro-style" QB, and he won in the SEC. Meyer and Saban are finding a way to win in the SEC with whatever QBs they have.
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J. Lee could have been and still can be a very good qb...sometimes you know though....throwing a guy into the fire before he is ready...can damage him for life
It can, but that didn't have to happen. If Miles hadn't fricked up the defense with that stupid co-DC experiment, they could have brought J. Lee along slower. As it was, he had to be hitting on all cylinders from the first snap or he would find himself down two touchdowns in the first 20 minutes of the game. Playing from behind like that, he was forced to try to make plays, which resulted in interceptions. That was Miles' fault. He knew he was going to have a freshman QB, so he should have made absolutely sure the defense stayed solid. That was no time for hare-brained experiments with a couple of position coaches trying to do a job together that neither of them was apparently good enough to do alone.
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I love the kid rivers with his size and big arm. Who knows what he will do though. LSU will probably end up getting another top 20 qb this year that has verbally committed somewhere else..since zach lee left. I also expect them to bring in a transfer.
And the best we can possibly hope for is a 2nd year player to be starting in 2012, either a RS freshman or true sophomore who signs in 2011, or a transfer who comes in after this season. That's exactly the problem we had in 2008 and again in 2009, and we saw how poorly our coaches handled it. There's no reason to have faith that it will be any different the next time around. If you don't have a pretty good idea in 2010 who your starting QB is going to be in 2012, you're in trouble.
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As you see, LSU has been trying to bring in white qb's....since the perriloux and jefferson debacles.....not trying to be racist...but look at who wins big in college football.....these runners do well in the right conferences...but when they go up against a real D....well....you better be able to pass the ball effectively.
Seriously? The race card? Are you that far off the deep end? Rohan Davey and Jamarcus Russell couldn't pass the ball effectively? And who wins big in college football? Didn't Chris Leak lead Florida to the national championship in 2006? Vince Young at Texas in 2005? Didn't Michael Vick take Virginia Tech to the NC game in 1999, and Tee Martin win the NC at Tennessee in 1998? This idiotic idea that you need a white QB to win the championship, or that LSU is now recruiting QBs based on race, is just that...an idiotic idea.
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:32 pm to Nuts4LSU
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You want LSU to lose a good coach (not only your opinion but one that would be confirmed if he won the championship this year) just to vindicate Les Miles' (and more importantly YOUR) ego. You actually have more loyalty to Les Miles and your own insecurities than to LSU. That's why you are not, and never will be, a fan.
Nuts, as you know, this is my position on the Sabanistas. On game day, I cheer for LSU - it's players, coaches, the institution itself, our state... it is not about who I "want" to be the head coach or not.
Having said that - the coach with the highest winning percentage being chased away from LSU by inordinate and inappropriate criticism, and being replaced with something akin to the RichRod(tm) experiment currently in it's make-or-break year at Michigan (or worse, a return to Archer-Hallman-Dinardo levels of performance) would satisfy the universe's sense of irony. I would not be pleased with that result, of course, but I would understand those who would appreciate and chuckle at that turn of events.
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:36 pm to Doc Fenton
So Doc could you post the out of conference statistics to be fair?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:37 pm to DunbartonTiger
quote:How so?
tduecen is much like nut4lsu on here. great post btw tduecen.
quote:Do wut???
here is actually good information you can getif you can wade through the shite people like nuts and laceur and tcueden throw at you
quote:I think you should step away from the key board and this website, it is driving you crazy.
DunbartonTiger
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Having said that - the coach with the highest winning percentage being chased away from LSU by inordinate and inappropriate criticism, and being replaced with something akin to the RichRod(tm) experiment currently in it's make-or-break year at Michigan (or worse, a return to Archer-Hallman-Dinardo levels of performance) would satisfy the universe's sense of irony.
I believe Les can win at LSU. He needs to address qb coaching and Offense coordinator. I believe if we go 8-4 again or something like that GC is gone and if the D is not better the next year so is "the Chief".
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:51 pm to DunbartonTiger
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tduecen is much like nut4lsu on here. great post btw tduecen....coach a few games then claom a great win % and you are the top huh....idiot. I have been coming to this site for a while. There is actually good information you can getif you can wade through the shite people like nuts and laceur and tcueden throw at you.
Well we can't all be as productive and helpful as to actively hope a good coach leaves LSU or accuse the coaching staff of racism in the recruiting of QBs. That's real useful stuff there.
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They tellyou oh sure, they hope they are wrong....that they hope lsu does great. FAIL. THEY WANT TO BERIGHT.
Nope, that's you. And not only do you want to be right, you want Miles to prove you're right and then tell us all to frick off. Real fan, there.
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Trust me,
Not with a plug nickel.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:52 pm to Nuts4LSU
How in hell did I get lumped into this with ya'll????
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:54 pm to tduecen
So you are back being a dick and accuse people of name calling. How old are you? Are you that little kid from Alabama that I saw on U-tube?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:55 pm to rickyh
quote:I do not have to accuse, I can go through your post history to prove my point. Hell you a Dunbar have that in common, you get mad and then start the name calling.
rickyh
Yet you are accusing me of being the kid when you two name call to try and get your point across. This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 12:56 pm to Doc Fenton
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Arnsparger, .778, 13-3-2 (4-1-1 + 4-1-1 + 5-1)
The math makes my head hurt - 18 SEC games total - Arnsparger won 72 2/9% of his games, lost 16 2/3% and tied 11 1/9%. It also illustrates the danger of using too small a sample. Using Saban's best three years, he's 18-6, or 75%. Using Miles' best three years (or his first three years, coextant) 19-5.
This further illustrates my point about relative identical success at LSU between Saban and Miles - save Dietzel and Mac, Miles' best three years were pretty much the best ever for LSU, statistically in the SEC, for a single coach, but only 1 better than Saban. Overall, Saban is only 1 game better than Miles (comparing their respective tenures at LSU), who can flip this in 2010 by going 6-2.
In these types of analyses, I normally exclude tenures of 3 years or less, with Arnsparger being the notable exception.
ETA - Bernie Moore is probably in the same category as Dietzel and Mac for "best three".
This post was edited on 8/22/10 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/22/10 at 1:03 pm to DunbartonTiger
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As you see, LSU has been trying to bring in white qb's....since the perriloux and jefferson debacles.....not trying to be racist...but look at who wins big in college football.....
More massive FAIL from Dunbarton. I will now add racist to the long list of things that I don't like about Dumbarton.
Posted on 8/22/10 at 1:20 pm to DunbartonTiger
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LSU has been trying to bring in white qb's....since the perriloux and jefferson debacles.....not trying to be racist...but look at who wins big in college football.....these runners do well in the right conferences...but when they go up against a real D....well....you better be able to pass the ball effectively.
We are all dumber now for having read that.... And what was the Jefferson debacle?
Posted on 8/22/10 at 1:21 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:Boom.
SEC Records
Arnsparger, .778, 13-3-2 (4-1-1 + 4-1-1 + 5-1)
Saban, .700, 28-12 (5-3 + 5-3 + 5-3 + 7-1 + 6-2)
Miles, .675, 27-13 (7-1 + 6-2 + 6-2 + 3-5 + 5-3)
or with SECCGs...
Arnsparger, .778, 13-3-2
Saban, .714, 30-12
Miles, .667, 28-14
Posted on 8/22/10 at 1:22 pm to MRTigerFan
I am wondering if I should sig quote that
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