re: Head coach winning percentages

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What if the next coach sucks? It happens ALL the time.

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It also happens the other way and teams bring in better coaches. It is a 50/50 thing...

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"Def Leppard has an awesomeness problem." So why don't ya'll go pour some sugar on that.

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analogy of the year

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It also happens the other way and teams bring in better coaches. It is a 50/50 thing...

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A bird in the hand!

So, we have a 50/50 shot of replacing Miles with a better coach and you think it is worth the risk?

If he's better than Miles he wins what 2 national championships in 5, wins > 80% of his games and brings in top 3 recruiting class EVERY year?

Basically, you are saying that we have a 50/50 shot of bringing in one of the GOAT because that's basically the only step above Miles record.

On the other hand, you've got at least a 50% chance (I think it's a far greater %, FWIW) that the next guy is worse.

SO, in your view it is worth the risk to out the schools winningest coach of all time two seasons removed from a national title because we might have a 50/50 shot of finding one of the greatest CFB coaches of all time?

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What if the next coach sucks? It happens ALL the time.

Remember, you can't always get what you want, you can try sometimes but you just might find you'll get what you deserve!*

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Not the point. A fan at least wants LSU to have a great coach, not to see us lose one.

And as for getting what you deserve, not quite. Actually, you get what you demand, or settle for.

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SO, in your view it is worth the risk to out the schools winningest coach of all time two seasons removed from a national title because we might have a 50/50 shot of finding one of the greatest CFB coaches of all time?

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Do you think Les continues to win at a 78% clip? Do you think he has another 3 seasons like 05-07? Do you think the past 2 years are an anomaly and the first 3 are more indicative of what Les can do? Obviously Les has this season and if he wins 8/9 games will you view point change?

I know you have already generalized me when I have not stated if I wanted him gone or to stay. the fact is it is a 50/50 shot you could bring in a coach that could win here and have longer success.

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Having said that - the coach with the highest winning percentage being chased away from LSU by inordinate and inappropriate criticism, and being replaced with something akin to the RichRod(tm) experiment currently in it's make-or-break year at Michigan (or worse, a return to Archer-Hallman-Dinardo levels of performance) would satisfy the universe's sense of irony.

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The problem with using only winning % as a measuring stick is you are not taking everything into context. Now before I get into this I want to make 1 thing clear. I DO NOT believe the Les Miles only won because of "Saban's players". Nick Saban is a great coach, he is not so great that merely being signed by him and coached by him for a year made guys like Dorsey, Jackson, Hester, Flynn, et al play great 3 years later. Another thing is you do not win 34 games in 3 years and a National Title by not being able to coach, no some idiot from the stand could not have won with the talent we had. You do not get jobs like HC and a BCS team like Ok State or assistant coaching jobs in the NFL by not being able to coach. That said>

Les Miles took over an LSU program in better shape than any of his predecessors. By contrast Nick Saban took over a program that had 8 losing seasons out of 11 and had won a grand total of 7 games the 2 previous years. Miles took over a team that had won 22 games the 2 previous, had 5 strait winning seasons and including the schools first NC in 45 years and 2 SEC titles, including the first in 13 years. Hell Mike Archer went 10-1-1 his first year and won the SEC his second, is he as good as Saban who did the same? No, you have to put things into context.

Also LSU started putting more resources into the football program. That started before Saban was hired, in fact the Saban hiring was part of that process. When we hired Saban, we made him the 3rd highest paid coach in CFB behind Spurrier and Bowden. By contrast, when we hired DiNardo and Hallman we were not willing to pay a top salary. In 94 we probably could have hired Mack Brown, instead we settled for DiNardo. Remember too, the DC DiNardo's first 3 years was Carl Reese, he left for Texas because they offered him a lot more money than LSU was paying. That is no longer a problem, our assistants are among the highest paid in the CFB. The program is making way more money than ever before and we are putting those resources back into the program. The talent level is as good as its ever been. So there is no need to worry about falling back to the Archer/Hallman years.

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So there is no need to worry about falling back to the Archer/Hallman years.

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Was there "any worry" among the "Help Mac Pack" crowd that we would face the worst two decades of LSU football (and even if you consider the 80s a mid-pack decade, the 90s certainly make up for that)? Replacing a known, proven winner with an unknown has huge pitfalls for the unwary.

What was Michigan thinking? Carr's worst three years were 8-4, 8-4 and 7-5. Overall he was 122-40, 81-23 in conference, and finished ranked 12 out of 13 seasons. How's that change working out for them?

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The SEC is about what have you done for me lately......17-9 last 2 years....Losing to bama and florida twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You don't speak for the SEC. I disagree. We have an understanding that there are some down years.

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Was there "any worry" among the "Help Mac Pack" crowd that we would face the worst two decades of LSU football (and even if you consider the 80s a mid-pack decade, the 90s certainly make up for that)? Replacing a known, proven winner with an unknown has huge pitfalls for the unwa

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Apples and Oranges. The LSU program, as is CFB in general in a much different place today than in 1979. The problem with your premise is you assume that because someone won in the past, they will continue to win the future. Mac's last 5 years were 5-6, 7-3-1, 8-4, 8-4, 7-5. Is that what you want? Sure in can be worse, but it can also get better. If you were a Florida fan you sould be saying they should have kept Ron Zook. David Shula was 10-2 1 year before he was fired. Was that a bad move? At Texas John Macavich won the last SWC title in 95 and the first Big 12 title in 96, he was fired after 97 (hey did go 4-7) was that bad? Hadn't he proven himself as a winner in 95 and 96?

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What was Michigan thinking? Carr's worst three years were 8-4, 8-4 and 7-5. Overall he was 122-40, 81-23 in conference, and finished ranked 12 out of 13 seasons. How's that change working out for them?

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What was Ohio State thinking get rid of John Cooper? He was 111-43-4, overall and 70-30-4 in the Big 10 at tOSU. Outside of his first year when he went 4-6-1, he had only 1 year with less than 8 wins, 6-6 in 99. The coach he replaced Earl Bruce was 81+26-1, 57-17 and had only 1 year with less than 9 wins. Yeah it was real disaster for Ohio State to fire both of those guys.

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i say LSU goes 11-1 regular season and plays tOSU in the nc game.

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My prediction as well.