re: Head coach winning percentages

RP was a thug when Miles recruited him.

Dun you are so right. I guess some people on here would like to see Miles and LSU lower there standards on be like some midpack SEC schools and sell out to pick up players like Masoli(sp) and Newton.

Chris Garrett didn't have what it takes...obviously. It was believed all along zach lee would have stayed...no one expected the dodgers to go over slot like they did. It is getting harder and harder to find a pro-style qb inhigh-school football and that is what it takes to win in the SEC. LSU isn't alone with this issue. Spurrier has tried for years to get a good qb at SC...Tenn has had very little success...McElroy is no stud. Mallet transferred in....LSU did well to get zach lee....just unfortunate for us and fortunate for him it turned out the way it did. J. Lee could have been and still can be a very good qb...sometimes you know though....throwing a guy into the fire before he is ready...can damage him for life. I hope I am wrong. I love the kid rivers with his size and big arm. Who knows what he will do though. LSU will probably end up getting another top 20 qb this year that has verbally committed somewhere else..since zach lee left. I also expect them to bring in a transfer. As you see, LSU has been trying to bring in white qb's....since the perriloux and jefferson debacles.....not trying to be racist...but look at who wins big in college football.....these runners do well in the right conferences...but when they go up against a real D....well....you better be able to pass the ball effectively.

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It is getting harder and harder to find a pro-style qb inhigh-school

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That is why you need to sign multiple QB's and develop them. Not only is LSU not signing enough QB's, the coaches are not developing them. It may not be Miles "fault" that Garrett didn't have it or Z Lee signed with the Dodgers, but it is his fault that he left himself with no other options.

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So what do you use?

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I look at the big picture of things. Yes, you can take a look at stats, but the really don't mean much without supporting data.

I don't think it is fair to compare their SEC records because the SEC is much stronger today than it was when Saban was at LSU. Remember Urban Meyer started the same year as Les and Nick rejoined the SEC West two years later. Also, the one elite coach Nick had the opportunity to coach against was Spurrier at Florida, and he lost by a combined score of 84-24 in two games. And remember that before all the recent love for Houston Nutt he was on the hot seat at Arkansas and didn't turn it around till Les got to LSU (and Saban still lost twice to him). And Tommy Tuberville was on the hot seat at Auburn until his unbeaten season in 2004, Saban's last year (Saban went 2-3 against Tuberville). Just sayin.

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then meyer, saban, spurrier and richt all have failed

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What? How have Meyer and Saban failed? I'm not saying a coach has to be perfect, they can not. You also can not just compare records, you have to look at the big picture, the overall pattern. Les did a great job from 2005-2007, Phil Fulmer did a great job in late 90's. Answer this question honestly. If big time college programs could pick between Urban Meyer, Nick Saban and Les Miles to coach their team. Who do you think they'd take?

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LSUis in probably better shape than most sec teams at qb.They have TWO years to bring in new qb'sand likely get transfers

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No we don't have 2 years, 2010 is done as far as bringing in new players. After 2011 both JJ and Lee will be gone, do you think it wise to wait until after the 2011 season to bring in a new QB?

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They expected Garrett to be good..he wasn't...they expected lee to stay...he didn't.

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Then that says something about their judgement. It was no secret Z Lee was atop MLB prospect. To count on him not signing is foolish. You can not give the coach all the credit for what goes right and none of the blame when things go wrong, sorry.

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you make it sound so easy.

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Where did I say it was "easy". Brain surgery is not easy, but we expect the brain surgeon to do a good job and we do not make excuses when he does not.

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Georgia is starting a rs freshmen

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So? Its not about the classification, besides, I am not a UGa fan so I really could care less about what kind of job Mark Richt is doing. I'm not suggesting LSU replace Les Miles with Mark Richt.

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florida and alabama are one injury away from beingindeep shite at qb..

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I disagree about Alabama, but I don't think very highly of their QB. His role is to not frick up, so they can win on D and with the running game. How ever, they have recruited several highly touted QB's the last couple of years. In 2008 they signed 2 and they signed 1 in each of the last 2 years and they have a commitment from 1 for 2011. 1 of those, Star Jackson transfered. Which shows why its a good idea to sign QB's eery year and have several on the rosters since some are bound to bust out for 1 reason or another, but if you have options, 1 is bound to pan out as well.

As for Florida, they also have signed some QBs in the last couple of classes. But their coach has a pretty good track record of developing them. Certainly if Tebow had gotten hurt, they would have been screwed. But again, that's not the point. That's stuff that happens. By signing day in 2010 the LSU coaches should have had some inkling that Garrett was not what they hoped, to then sign only 1 QB that is also a top MLB prospect is inexcusable, sorry. That's not just shite that happens, football players skipping college for MLB is not a new or unheard of phenomena to be unprepared for that possibility is borderline incompetence.

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I think the SEC schedules are a better indicator since the scheduling 4 cupcakes is a more recent phenomenon (last 15 years or so).

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So, if LSU goes 6-2 in conference in 2010 - that moves Miles to #1 all time at slightly over 70% - you okay with your objective standard?

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So, if LSU goes 6-2 in conference in 2010

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i will be very happy with the improved play in conference.