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re: Have to respect the great job Kelly is doing in the transfer portal
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:54 pm to Kiawah Tiger
Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:54 pm to Kiawah Tiger
Well Kelly himself said judge him on year 3 so ..
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Posted on 10/2/24 at 7:43 pm to Ebridg3
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just a few years ago? You understand that players only stay at schools 2 to 3 years max now anyways right?
Which makes what he has done even more impressive. A lot of fans forget just about how bad we were when he took over the program and to come in with two straight 10 win seasons - under those circumstances - is borderline miraculous!
I think fans also forget that LSU is in the toughest conference in college football and to still win 10 games each year is quite impressive. I think Kelly has also done a great job mixing in high school players and also grabbing portal players for more immediate help at certain positions.
Has he missed on some transfers? Absolutely, but that's just the cost of doing business in the portal. I'm excited about the future.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:05 pm to Mandtgr47
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We didn't need a whole team in the portal, we just needed a key few DB's and maybe a DL at least for depth.
frick living off of the portal. Look at FSU this year. Look at what Ole Myth will be next year. The only proven, sustainable path to a championship-level roster is stacking Top 5 classes and keeping the best of those players on your roster. Period. Every roster built via the portal has eventually gone bust and that will continue.
Does the transition to relying on top HS talent hurt- sure. We’re playing six true freshmen on defense and they are more talented than most of the upperclassmen. Combine them with the current class and you have the foundation to return to the kinds of defenses we are used to.
It sucks that House couldn’t cut it in the SEC. His protege Brad White has figured out how to make that scheme work with college players and adjust to what he has, but House couldn’t do that. But that’s in the rear view. The current staff isn’t fricking around, especially Davis and Peoples.
But keep on whining on every fricking thread. It’s what you do.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:10 pm to Ralphiemay
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No, he’s been great , but my point is overall as a whole he’s getting UL and southeastern transfers etc and not targeting top players in the portal .
How about Wingo? Do you think an SEC All-Freshman DL wasn’t a major recruit?
Frazier was the highest rated OL available on his portal class.
We didn’t chase the big dollar portal guys in this class because all of the money is going where it belongs- the 25 HS class. THAT is how you build a championship roster.
You need to add some facts to your personal feelings-based narrative.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:13 pm to Ralphiemay
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through coach O even we have achieved a level of high talent overall for this roster
frick off dick sucker. He is the reason the talent level here slipped. Pure, grade A horseshite.
I love how stacking a Top 5-7 class with an incoming Top 3 class somehow isn’t going to bolster the talent level here
Convenient how you ignore this. Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:17 pm to Draco Malfoy
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The “inherited a team with 37 scholarship players” is such a fallacy
There were around 45 usable remaining scholarship players who weren’t elevated walk-ons, and not all of them were SEC-level players. And several of them were gone after 22.
If it hadn’t been for the 23 portal class, we wouldn’t have had a functional OL or secondary, but you already know that. It just doesn’t like up with your bullshite.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:24 pm to Cd104
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It’s like ppl forget Duce fricking chestnut was starting at corner for stretches last year.
Chestnut could have been a really solid Nickle. The problem was House throwing him outside against a team with two WRs with 6+” on him.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 9:26 pm to Chalkywhite84
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You should be worried about safety.
Spears has the talent and the bye week should help him catch up some. Hopefully Toviano can get out of the doghouse and play some Star soon, as well.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:16 pm to misey94
Check out coach O’s recruiting rankings, not counting the year he was fired . I bet you’d be surprised that they were better than Kelly thus far . It’s ok bud , I like your spirit in supporting coach and it does hurt to see things aren’t working out the way you and all tiger fans have wanted .
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:17 pm to misey94
Frazier sucked arse , wingo was good but Frazier was the worst of all the starters , so not the best example to use .
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:20 pm to misey94
That’s great , let’s see how it plays out on the field . You must not watch much football the last 3 years . We’ve been pretty average . I guess we shall see . Get mad at me all you want for Kelly not getting top players in the portal .
Posted on 10/2/24 at 10:23 pm to misey94
Not true , it was around 70 scholarship players Kelly’s first spring . 39 players for the Texas bowl due to opt outs, academic casualties, transfer portal etc . We are taking 30 more players than the 38 player narrative.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 11:11 pm to SwampyWaters
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I firmly believe we might make the playoffs this year, which is a miracle when you think about where the program was just a few years ago.
Hell, considering all the injuries we suffered this early in the season, making the playoffs with this team might be the greatest coaching job BK ever did, going 9-3 with this squad would be great too. Obviously when BK and Co have stabilized LSU’s money sports and made us a respectable, standard-bearing program again, we expect titles but as long as we don’t regress to being just above-average and a perennial 8-4 team we were many times under Miles and O, I think an 8-4 floor and realistically 10-2 ceiling isn’t the worst thing ever.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:51 am to Ralphiemay
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We are taking 30 more players than the 38 player narrative.
20 of those were incoming transfers and early enrollees.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:55 am to Ralphiemay
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Frazier sucked arse , wingo was good but Frazier was the worst of all the starters , so not the best example to use .
Wingo was better than good, especially in 22 when he wasn’t playing hurt
frick off with this shite. Your argument wasn’t about performance. It was about the staff supposedly not going after any high profile portal guys. Don’t try and reframe your argument because it sucked. Take the well-deserved L.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:59 am to Ralphiemay
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Not true , it was around 70 scholarship players Kelly’s first spring . 39 players for the Texas bowl due to opt outs, academic casualties, transfer portal etc . We are taking 30 more players than the 38 player narrative.
More out of context bullshite to cover your empty-headed narrative. Most of the portal transfers that year were early-enrollees and had absolutely no connection to the previous staff.
And even taking 30+ players via recruiting and the portal and elevating a few walk-one (only one of whom actually played), we still didn’t have a full 80 man scholarship roster in 22. Everything you have said is bullshite.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 8:06 am to LSUGent
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Did it ever occur to you it was because BK is a good coach and recruiter that we won those 10 games despite the poor roster position he inherited?
There was nothing very "poor" about the roster. Overall it was still pretty good, just not elite/championship caliber. Again, yes there were some holes to fill here and there. THATS WHAT THE PORTAL IS FOR. At no point did we need did we need to add like 2 dozen players from the portal or something over this year or last. We just needed to fill some key areas. Which again, we did well in some cases and not as much in others.
You dont win 10 games back to back years playing in the SEC with a "rebuilding" going. That's just a stupid suggestion. We just had 3 first round picks and 6 draft picks in total. Last year was another 6 NFL draft picks as well. It's not like the team was talentless, there were some holes which he DID fill some in the portal and others unfortunately not so much. Thats it really.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 8:11 am
Posted on 10/3/24 at 8:08 am to Ralphiemay
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Check out coach O’s recruiting rankings
Check out all the ones who were gone by 20 and 21. Check out the few who are left who aren’t total fricking bums like Burns and Ryan, or career disappointments like Emery, Guillory (who might have finally been ready to change that) and Penn.
We have two high impact players on this roster remaining from the O era- Nuss and Dellinger. That’s it. That’s all that’s left. So let me know how much those rankings matter right now.
As for the rankings I referenced- several of those true freshmen are playing right now. There are several coming in next year who will also play right away, especially in the secondary. Unless we see a mass exodus like under O, which is highly unlikely because this isn’t a staff that’s totally checked out and heading for spending LSU’s money hanging out on a white trashy beach and chasing old blondes, your comparison of recruiting rankings doesn’t hold any water.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 8:13 am to thunderbird1100
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There was nothing very "poor" about the roster. Overall it was still pretty good,
If you don’t have at least 70 SEC-caliber players, then you lack depth and have major holes. We definitely didn’t have that in 22, as evidenced by the huge snap counts that some players played that season. The OL and entire defense lacked talent going into 22 before the recruiting and portal classes propped both of them up. Think about how bad the OL and Secondary could have been. They weren’t great, but they were at least good enough.
Was there talent on the roster- sure. There was even some really high-end talent. But it was very uneven and our depth was non-existent in spots.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 8:18 am to misey94
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If you don’t have at least 70 SEC-caliber players, then you lack depth and have major holes. We definitely didn’t have that in 22, as evidenced by the huge snap counts that some players played that season. The OL and entire defense lacked talent going into 22 before the recruiting and portal classes propped both of them up. Think about how bad the OL and Secondary could have been. They weren’t great, but they were at least good enough.
Which again, he used the portal appropriately enough to fill some spots, and its not like we went out and had to get 25 guys. He got 15 guys, which in the portal era isnt really a ton (over 20 teams got 20+ transfers going into this year, for example). Certainly not indicative of a "rebuild" job much less "4 year rebuild". Again, certainly some holes to fill, but nothing absolutely massive overall on the roster.
There also arent many teams any more that dont have at least 1 or 2 positions they have to hit up in the portal pretty well season to season, just how CFB is now.
In the end, this was never some massive rebuild job, Kelly filled some holes in the portal early on here with a not so huge amount of portal players, some better than others, and won 10 games in back to back years to open up his tenure here. Nothing about that screams "4-year rebuild"
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 8:19 am
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