re: Harris vs Wisconsin (Film of every throw)

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Can you honestly say that you think Harris is even an average passer?

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And just for good measure and objectivity, the incompletions:

First pass play of the game, 2 WR route, rolling to his left. Still needs to make this throw, but not exactly the best way to ease a right-handed QB into the game, no?



Second play, 2WR and routes, just all bad on Harris. Had time and air mailed it to Dupre.



3rd play, same "drive". 3WR against 7 dropped in coverage. Fournette and Malone get abused in pass protection, Harris scrambles left and tries to hit Dupre on the broken play. It was 3rd and 10 and one of the three WR routes (Dural I believe) ran a 6 yard curl in front of the zone. I understand the route tree may call for that, but woof.



5th passing play of the game. Harris is 1/4 for 15 yards after the 0-3 start on that one drive. 3rd and 7 and we send out 3 WRs, the TE, and Fournette. Wisconsin rushes 4 and we've got 5 to block. For some reason this was a PA pass, and I'm not really sure if BH is supposed to take a 5-step drop after the PA fake, but he did it immediately so perhaps that was by design. Regardless, the Teuhema and Boutte were abused and Harris never really had a chance.



4th incompletion to end the half. At this point Harris was 3-6 for 38 yards after the 0-3 start. He missed those 3 straight throws on 1 drive. Not much to say here except that we still had 2 TOs, Wisconsin had everything covered, and Harris gave Dupre a chance. The ball was under thrown, but leading him was useless with the S over the top. Dupre needs to be better here though, because a completed pass could have meant a FG attempt.



Halftime. Harris is 3-7 for 38 yards and an INT. Dural was held on what was likely a 75-yard TD pass. Dupre has 3 balls that hit him in the hands and were catchable for a guy with his talents, but Harris didn't do him a ton of favors on the first two. OL has been shite on the two 3rd down passes.

After a dump off to Fournette on 3rd and 6 earlier in the 3rd quarter where two WR fell and we didn't get the first down, Harris is now 4-8 for 41 yards. Down 13-0. LSU just ran 5 straight runs for 54 yards. Couldn't get the play call in fast enough so Harris took a TO. On 2nd and 7 from Wisconsin 29, this happens...



3rd and 12 now. 3WR route. Pressure is picked up well and Harris makes arguably his worst throw of the day IMO. Hits Dupre in the ankles on what should have been an easy pitch and catch. The only thing I can imagine that explains the throw being so low is that it may have been a 15 yard dig route and Dupre didn't run it crisp enough. He appears to be cutting up the field after his break, but not really steep enough for a post. Anyway, just a bad play and we had to punt due to the sack before hand. 4/9 for 41 yards and an INT now.



LSU now up 14-13. Harris has completely 4 straight passes, including the TD, a ballsy pass play on 1st down from the 2 yard line, and a conversion on 3rd and 3 to Dupre. He is 8/13 for 97 yards now.

2nd and 6 with 14:20 to play in the 4th. 2WR route with the TE running a route too. Looks like all seam routes off of the play action, although Dural appears to be stopping at the top of the screen. Harris has time and goes to Dupre's back shoulder. I thought this was a pretty solid play and gave Dupre a good chance to make the catch with the safety over the top. Dupre couldn't hold on.



3rd and 6 now, 8/14 for 97 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. 3WR route, all hitches past the marker. Seems to have been a half-assed PA look and Harris goes to Dupre, who appears to be the best choice in 1-on-1 coverage pre-snap. Sails it again. Almost the same pass he missed on the 2nd play of the game. Harris has to be better here, and it would have been a heck of a catch, but Dupre still could have brought it down with his size vs. the CB.



2nd and 7 with 10:45 to go, up 14-13. PA pass here with only 1 WR and route, although Moore eventually leaks out of the backfield but it is already too late by that point. Pressure came in untouched and broke up the play. 1 yard loss on the sack. This was followed up by a screen to Fournette that could have been a big play but both OL players whiffed on blocks and Fournette was tackled for 3 yards. Yeesh.



3:15 remaining now, down 16-14 on our own 44. Harris is 10/17 for 119 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT after the previous 19 yard pass to DeSean Smith. 1st and 10. 2WR route with DeSean going out too and Fournette leaking out after the play-action. Harris checks Dural first and comes back across the field to Dupre. Malone is beat on the speed rush and Harris is hit from the blind side while he throws. Incomplete.



Harris completes 2 more throws, one to convert a 3rd down on the drive, and is now 12/20 for 130 yards with the TD and the INT. 1st and 15 from the 35 after a Clapp false start. 3WR route with the TE Jeter running a route and Guice running what looked like a wheel route. Clapp and Boutte have a miscommunication and the DE comes in untouched. Harris spins out of trouble, sees Chark, and when he goes to throw Clapp comes back across his face trying to pick up the guy who came through earlier. Harris makes an awful decision to throw and an awful throw too. INT. Ball game.



5 plain bad throws on Harris - the first two for sure, the ball at Dupre's ankles, the other 6 yard hitch to Dupre,and the INT at the end. 3 of those were still catchable but I wouldn't consider them drops.

1 halftime heave and 1 back shoulder throw to Dupre. 1 broken play pass on the run, to his left on the 3rd pass play of the game. 1 ball where he was hit as he threw it. 3 plain embarrassing sacks.

26 dropbacks, 3 sacks, 1 defensive holding, 5 bad passes. He legitimately only made 1 bad decision - the INT to win the game. The other 25 drop backs were all good decisions even if the execution was poor. He wasn't NEARLY as bad as people think he was.

Thanks for the post.

People seriously need to learn what a "drop" is. When the receiver needs to jump as high as he can just to get a finger on the ball, it's not a "drop".

This notion that if the receiver makes contact between his hands and the ball, then he should make the catch, is stupid. Those are awful throws by Harris.

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I really believe Harris would be more effective if he scrambled more. There were quite a few times he could have taken off and picked up some serious yards.

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I thought this too watching it live, but in the post above with the incompletion/sack gifs, there isn't a single example of a time where he should have run but didn't. One of the sacks he got loose but they took off his helmet. You could possibly argue he should have ran on the 3rd and 10 incompletion after the pressure, but you can see in the gif they were in zone coverage and were sitting inside of the 1st down marker to the side he rolled.

In all honesty, his decision making was fine considering the 26 drop backs. The issue for him was that the one bad choice was so late that it couldn't be reversed, but one bad choice in that many drop backs is more than serviceable. His execution was poor on 5 drop backs. I wish he was perfect, but he was absolutely plenty good enough to win.

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To piggyback off slackster, go back to page 6 and watch his completions. They are ALL on the money.

He really had 2 BAD throws, the short post to Dupre where he overthrew him by 5 yards, and the last int.

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Bad throws:
1st 3 passes
7:11 3rd Q
14:24 4Q
14:15 4Q
1:05 4Q

Not even counting the int in the 1st half as it was sort of a giveaway play.

That is 7 bad passes out of 21 that he attempted. He had maybe 1 above average pass. Everything else was something you would expect a QB to make. You would also expect a QB to make at least 5 or 6 of the misses given that they are pretty easy to make.

A D-1 QB should not have a bad throw on every third attempt.

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He really had 2 BAD throws

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He had 3 terrible throws on the first series.

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People seriously need to learn what a "drop" is. When the receiver needs to jump as high as he can just to get a finger on the ball, it's not a "drop".

This notion that if the receiver makes contact between his hands and the ball, then he should make the catch, is stupid. Those are awful throws by Harris.

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There were 4 bad throws that hit Dupre in the hands - 3 high and 1 low - and then the halftime heave and the back shoulder throw. I think considering any of them drops is pretty harsh, but the WRs made no difficult catches. They didn't drop any easy ones, but they didn't catch any that were anywhere other than center of mass. Considering their talent, expecting 1 or 2 of those to get hauled in isn't ridiculous.

I agree that Dupre had a bad game. He would be the first to tell you that as well. I'm just annoyed by all these posters saying he had so many "drops".

ETA: Sure glad to see the amazing off-season that Chark had pay off on gameday.

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I agree that Dupre had a bad game. He would be the first to tell you that as well.

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Yeah I said as much in another thread. By his own standards I'm sure he was disappointed. He gets a ton of targets, so if he's off it hurts.

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I'm just annoyed by all these posters saying he had so many "drops".

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Drops are strong, but on the INT and the back shoulder throw he undeniably went up soft. I'm sure he knows that. He will be better.

This just reaffirms what I got crucified for saying the night after the game. It took some time for Harris to settle in, but he didn't play terrible outside of the last play. If Dupre plays like the " 1st rounder " he is we win that game and several drives are extended. Harris isn't Deshaun Watson he is not the type to carry a team but if are stud receivers help him out he can be more than serviceable! As should any decent QB