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re: Harris vs Wisconsin (Film of every throw)
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:32 am to slackster
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:32 am to slackster
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3 WRs as in 3 WR sets, not 3 routes total. We had 8 3WR passing plays. the first 5 were all on 3rd down. The last 3 were on the final drive to win (lose) the game.
But so it only counts if we line up with 4 and 5 wide? Haven't we all been saying to get the tight ends and fournette involved in the passing game? They pushed the TE out and Fournette out multiple times in the game. There were a bunch of plays where you can see multiple receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage to help him with easier throws. He just didn't see them or didn't throw to them.
I know one thing, after looking at this video, and the ones from last year, we are seeing much different things from the number of routes we are running, the way we are trying to get others involved in the passing game, and in general, some of the play calling. I wasn't expecting that before I watched this. I also wasn't expecting to see the level of pass protection we had. The line really did a pretty good job.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:33 am to cforester821
After watching that it's pretty mind boggling that people are putting this game on Harris.
The last throw he deserves blame for but most of those were pretty solid reads and throws by Harris.
He is getting WAY too much of the blame for this game.
The last throw he deserves blame for but most of those were pretty solid reads and throws by Harris.
He is getting WAY too much of the blame for this game.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:39 am to cforester821
I see a lot of bad throws. Especially a string of them early which handed the ball right back to the other team and killed most of the first half offensively. Even a few of his completions were bad throws.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:40 am to mmcgrath
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I see a lot of bad throws. Especially a string of them early which handed the ball right back to the other team and killed most of the first half offensively. Even a few of his completions were bad throws.
You would. You and a few others have been so critical of BH that you would even see "bad throws" on his completions. Care to point to some of these bad throws on completions?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:41 am to Powerman
I would like the to run Harris some. If he is a treat to run defenses will have to be careful on the rush.
Seems like a lot of passing plays are over 10 yards and take a long time to develop. Mix in some underneath crossing routes or quick slants out of the slot.
Get Duran the ball.
Harris looked better than I remembered, so that is encouraging.
Seems like a lot of passing plays are over 10 yards and take a long time to develop. Mix in some underneath crossing routes or quick slants out of the slot.
Get Duran the ball.
Harris looked better than I remembered, so that is encouraging.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:43 am to slackster
quote:Why don't you point out what you thought were good throws. That should be fun, and a short list.
You would. You and a few others have been so critical of BH that you would even see "bad throws" on his completions. Care to point to some of these bad throws on completions?
Can you honestly say that you think Harris is even an average passer?
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 7:45 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:43 am to Fratigerguy
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I also wasn't expecting to see the level of pass protection we had. The line really did a pretty good job.
WHAT?
I don't recall them ever bringing more than we could block, yet they still got significant pressure.
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But so it only counts if we line up with 4 and 5 wide?
It counts when we have 3 or more WR, hence the term 3WR sets and 3WR routes.
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Haven't we all been saying to get the tight ends and fournette involved in the passing game? They pushed the TE out and Fournette out multiple times in the game.
We have, and you're right, we did do that more than most would have remembered. I'm not really sure what we're arguing at this point.
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There were a bunch of plays where you can see multiple receivers within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage to help him with easier throws. He just didn't see them or didn't throw to them.
Can you specifically point out plays where Harris had time and made a poor decision to pass up someone who was open and went to someone long?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:49 am to slackster
quote:3 targets in gif you posted.
He often only has 1 or 2 reads in the first place.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 7:58 am to cforester821
Can we get a sticky for this thread?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:00 am to cforester821
Subscribed....
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 8:01 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:14 am to cforester821
Watching this video showed me how bad K.J. Malone played. The defense got past him on just about every play!
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:21 am to Bengal26
How in all that is holy we don't have two serviceable tackles on either side of the line? Tehumae is a guard not a damn tackle. 
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:21 am to mmcgrath
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Why don't you point out what you thought were good throws. That should be fun, and a short list.
Just as I figured you pussy. Here is every completion. 
Just so we don't forget, this was your comment:
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Even a few of his completions were bad throws.
Pick out the bad throws, hater.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:21 am to Fratigerguy
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Haven't we all been saying to get the tight ends and fournette involved in the passing game?
It's also key to use a TE that's actually a good receiver - Desean Smith.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:34 am to mmcgrath
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Can you honestly say that you think Harris is even an average passer?
Yes, yes I can. He has plenty of room for improvement. I cannot stress enough how poor the decision was to throw the final INT, but Harris is good enough for this team, without a doubt.
Oh, and just for good measure, here was the TD negated by a smart hold from the Wisconsin DB...
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:36 am to slackster
The offensive line is horrendous. That's not fixable. And how does Jeter even have a scholarship?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:38 am to slackster
Who is the lineman that gets pushed back 7 yards into the backfield on this play? Is that Pocic?
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:39 am to Mayhawman
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He often only has 1 or 2 reads in the first place.
3 targets in gif you posted.
2 WRs and Fournette running a check down dump off route after the PA. There are only 2 routes that he is actually reading, and it actually looks like he does check Fournette before he has to move from pressure.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:39 am to cforester821
Why would any man voluntarily subject himself to watching that again?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 8:40 am to Buga
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Who is the lineman that gets pushed back 7 yards into the backfield on this play? Is that Pocic?
I believe. Poor Clapp just completely whiffed on the double team too.
The OL got embarrassed.
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