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re: Harris plays well we win the national championship, right?

Posted on 5/10/16 at 6:22 am to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 6:22 am to
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3 WR set and the occasional 4 WR set to mix thing up and throw the ball 40% of the time.


The 3 wr set was our set 49% of the season and was te most used set in 10 games.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
12989 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:21 am to
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I see no way we can lose.


As you start to mature out of these early phases of being a sports fan, you'll start to value the role that other factors beyond the quarterback's performance that determines whether or not teams win national championships.

Look no further than the number of teams picked in the preseason to win a national championship that actually do.

It happens in baseball and basketball more often because of regression to the mean. They play more games in these other sports, and have a championship series that enables them to lose a game or more and still have a championship season. In basketball you have 5 players on the court at any given moment. Since you have the best 5-7 players that contribute most to performance, you have fewer things that can go wrong. It's easier for a smaller group of players to perform as a well oiled machine than it is in football where there are 11 players on offense, another 11 on defense and another set on special teams.

So keep up your spirits little fella. One of these days when you become a grownup, you'll come to appreciate the more complex variables and intangibles that need to align in order for a national championship to occur.
Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5653 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:48 am to
As usual, November will tell the tale.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18160 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:50 am to
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The inexperience of a qb severly cuts down on the ability to use the entire playbook.


Inexperience, right.

7 of the last 8 national champions have had first-year starters at QB.

8 of the last 9 years, first-year starting QBs in the SEC have won the SEC, the national championship, and/or the Heisman.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:16 am
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16036 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:09 am to
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The others playing well is a GIVEN.


is it now? a given you say.

Harris needs to really step up his game and become a big time player. Look how well Desean Watson played and Clemson still didn't win the NC. WE need Harris to play at that level. We need the recievers to step up their game. We need the o-line to come along and gell as a unit. Most of all, we need the defense to really become a dominating unit. And even more so, we need the play calling and offense system to be completely overhauled.

If all that happens, we have a shot at it, if the ball bounces our way. Alabama is still going to be great. Clemson as well. Ohio St. Tons more of great teams we will have to be better than.
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
Member since Oct 2006
4720 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:29 am to
Never forget the all-important EYE TEST as decided by experts like Rece Davis Witherspoon.

Nothing matters as much as the eye test, even regular season wins in the opponents stadium.
Posted by cartig
Member since Feb 2010
3023 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:46 am to
"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves. "

Not sure how team work is negative....
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10097 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:48 am to
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Inexperience, right.
7 of the last 8 national champions have had first-year starters at QB.

This doesn't carry as much weight as you suggest.
Some of these had at least a couple years experience as college QB and a 4th/5th yr Sr isn't inexperienced just because he hasn't been a starter for a year(ie Flynn).
I recall a time when the natural progression was most all QBs had 3+ yrs in a system as 1st yr starters unless injury forced early PT.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36905 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:11 pm to
All I know is this.

My brothers and I have 3 sons.

The oldest was born in 2003

The second was born in 2007

I had my first two weeks ago.

I'm doing my part.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:38 pm to
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7 of the last 8 national champions have had first-year starters at QB.


You just wont let it go. You are the only ignorant frick in the entire world that think youth and inexperience at the qb position doesnt matter.
There is over 100 years of football proving this but no you choose the outliers as if they are not the outliers. If youth and inexperience dont matter then why dont all these rookie nfl qbs light the world on fire?
Why do coaches sit rookie qbs for a few years? Is it because inexperience and youth at the qb position dont matter or is it because inexperience and youth at the qb position do matter.
And for the record you football ignorant child,there is difference between an older 1st year starter and a true sophomore.

Whats really laughable is all these lsu qbs you shite on are better at playing qb than you are at doing anything in life.
Jordan jefferson was better at playing qb than you are at anything in life.jarret Lee as a true freshman was better at qb than you are at anything youve ever done.

But by all means continue to be the 1 dumb frick that thinks true freshman and 5th seniors should be at the same production.

You just make yourself look void if anh football knowledge wheb you say a qbs experience and youth dont matter
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:43 pm to
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This doesn't carry as much weight as you suggest.
Some of these had at least a couple years experience as college QB and a 4th/5th yr Sr isn't inexperienced just because he hasn't been a starter for a year(ie Flynn).
I recall a time when the natural progression was most all QBs had 3+ yrs in a system as 1st yr starters unless injury forced early PT.



There is no use with that ignorant frick. He and Peej are , literally, the only two people ove ever heard say inexperience and youth at the qb position doesnt matter. My 9 year old son knows this about football. It's true at every level of football. Its common knowldge. Really it just lets me know i can ignore any other opinions he has on cfb.
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:43 pm to
Always takes a bit of luck. Many good teams and we'll always have some close ones with Les.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18160 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:52 pm to
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literally, the only two people ove ever heard say inexperience and youth at the qb position doesnt matter.


You can twist my words all you want, but I've NEVER said inexperience and youth don't matter. And I've already said numerous times that I'd prefer to have a 4th or 5th year guy at QB.

My point is that while experience is certainly preferred, IT ISN'T REQUIRED to get productive QB play!!

Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18160 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:04 pm to
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If youth and inexperience dont matter then why dont all these rookie nfl qbs light the world on fire?


NFL and college football are apples and oranges. That league is far more complex than college and it's hard for rookies to quickly absorb it all. I get that.

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you football ignorant child

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Whats really laughable is all these lsu qbs you shite on are better at playing qb than you are at doing anything in life.



A lot of ad hominem attacks there, don't know why you need to resort to that.

Actually, I'm "shitting" (actually I'm just stating facts about inexperienced QBs playing well, but I'll use your artful term) more on the coaches rather than Harris. Other college coaches manage to get very productive play from young and/or inexperienced QBs. If we're not getting it here, some of that is on the player but a lot of it is on the coaches for not running an offense that best fits the skill set of our QBs. Round peg - square hole kind of thing.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:04 pm to
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My point is that while experience is certainly preferred, IT ISN'T REQUIRED to get productive QB play!!


Young and inexperienced qbs playing well are the outliers. Literally evey single coach, at every level of football,agrees with me.
You also are acting like a true sophomore starting is the same as redshirt junior or 5th year senior.
In a prostyle offense you have 1 young and experienced qb to LEAD his team on a title run. Winston. Who are all these young and inexperienced prostyle qbs having huge amount of success?
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18160 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:18 pm to
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In a prostyle offense you have 1 young and experienced qb to LEAD his team on a title run. Winston. Who are all these young and inexperienced prostyle qbs having huge amount of success?


you're helping me make my point. Other college coaches run a different offense and get instant production from their QBs (and win championships and Heismans too).

If our QBs can't be truly productive until their 4th or 5th year after they've had years to absorb our allegedly complex pro-style offense, then maybe we're running the wrong offense. And that's on the coaches.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39729 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:58 pm to
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Mettenberger played well but that team didn't come close to winning a natl champhionship


No he didn't. He singlehandedly lost the Ole Mis game, and he failed to deliver in the closing minute against Georgia.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:00 pm to
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ou're helping me make my point. Other college coaches run a different offense and get instant production from their QBs (and win championships and Heismans too).



Who? Who are these young and inexperienced qbs winning Heisman's and winning titles?

Manziel and winston and mcarron. Name more. Because you cant.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:04 pm to
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10097 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 11:00 pm to
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In a prostyle offense you have 1 young and experienced qb to LEAD his team on a title run.
And it's a very dumbed down pass option O that doesn't really deal with progressions like true pro.
It's more like a left/right read depending on SS align. Very simple, but effective vs most Ds. I'd like to see LSU run more KISS type O considering the usual draft turnover.
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