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re: Hanagriff mentioned 6 figure NIL deals for baseball players yesterday
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:23 am to charlestonchief
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:23 am to charlestonchief
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I don’t see how it’s sustainable when you have a brand new rookie payroll every year for each sport. That is a crazy amount of money to keep up with everyone you compete against.
The ones that can sustain will rise to the top. The ones that can’t will fall.
This isn’t different than it has always been it’s just out in the open now. And it’s probably a lot more money.
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:23 am to DBG
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In theory it would apply to all recruits. Realistically, we won’t flip a first round pick that gets multiple millions of dollars.
Is there data that would tell how many first and second round draft picks make it to the major league and the average time in the minors for the ones that make it?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:24 am to T
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Pretty crazy if true. College sports is so messed up right now.
Why? Why shouldn't Dylan Crews be able to make money right now?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:25 am to DBG
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Jay sits Berry down and says hey, we have a $250K check for you right now, you improved at 3B throughout the year, next year you’ll be there from game 1
A gut like Berry is getting drafted with the idea that he hits so well we will teach him how to play a position. Playing 3B maybe gave a little bump but that isn't going really move the needle. It would be nice but you don't turn down top 10-20 money.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:27 am to BilltheTiger
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Is there data that would tell how many first and second round draft picks make it to the major league and the average time in the minors for the ones that make it?
It’s not a great percentage because making it to the MLB level is really hard.
Usually it’s about 6 years for the ones that make it unless they are phenoms like Bryce Harper or Juan Soto. I mentioned it in a previous post that that’s roughly the same age (22/23) to make the MLB for a first or second round college draft pick.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:29 am to Midtiger farm
What will happen is the teams with more access to money will push it farther. Nothing is stopping A&M from throwing 1M at Crews to come over for his last year.
LSU would find a way to match, but they know that’s less for incoming recruits
LSU would find a way to match, but they know that’s less for incoming recruits
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:29 am to DBG
Can we get a link?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:33 am to DBG
3 year/$300,000 deals for a sport that makes $500,000? Elle’s wife must be in charge of the checkbook.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:33 am to matsuflex
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Nothing is stopping A&M from throwing 1M at Crews to come over for his last year. LSU would find a way to match, but they know that’s less for incoming recruits
This is why I think the one time free transfer is a much bigger deal than NIL.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:39 am to T
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Pretty crazy if true. College sports is so messed up right now.
Agreed
A multi billion dollar industry that feeds off of kids with a gift of a scholarship, Nike gear, and food stipends
It’s pretty crazy
It’s not 1970 anymore. The NCAA is acting as a professional sports corporation while paying amateur athletic wages
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:39 am to geauxtigers33
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This will never happen. The schools will never go for it. They still aren’t paying a dime to the players and making them employees will open yourself up to unions.
I don’t think there’s another option at this point. Unless donors and collectives just decide to stop giving money, then you’ll likely have a collusion lawsuit.
The 1 free transfer isn’t going anywhere either. So what other path do you have to keep players more than 1 year, or even half a season?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:44 am to DBG
You open yourself up to more lawsuits if you make them employees. Big corporations get sued all the time
You are missing the point where the schools are not paying a dime for NIL deals so any lawsuits regarding NIL will not be on the school. It would be on the NCAA if they decided to regulate it or with the corporations that signed the deals if something goes wrong.
To make them employees you need the schools to agree to that. They will never go for it is my point.
You are missing the point where the schools are not paying a dime for NIL deals so any lawsuits regarding NIL will not be on the school. It would be on the NCAA if they decided to regulate it or with the corporations that signed the deals if something goes wrong.
To make them employees you need the schools to agree to that. They will never go for it is my point.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:48 am to geauxtigers33
The schools are not paying, you’re right, but let’s not be naive and say there’s no coordination between school and collective.
The ncaa already bungled this so there is no perfect, legal fix. They had decades to figure this out and did nothing. Making them employees gives the schools back at least some control.
The ncaa already bungled this so there is no perfect, legal fix. They had decades to figure this out and did nothing. Making them employees gives the schools back at least some control.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:50 am to Dizz
The age you enter pro ball is more important for position players than it is for pitchers.
It's also more important for prospects vs org guys.
Fringe (round 11-20 or UDFA) draft junior position players, and fringe to even round 6-10 junior pitchers is where the NIL bang for your buck will be. This is the category that will provide a ton of value on the college team side because they're good proven players with track record. It will provide value on the player side because they could finish their degree before entering pro ball without affecting their odds of making the majors negatively, and they can do it while making a little bit of money and likely not coming out of pocket for school at that point.
These are the transfer portal deals.
The bigger deals won't have as much bang for your buck but will be needed to sway the HS draftees. The first component is that they really have to have a genuine interest in going to school, no amount of NIL money will buy thaTt. he deals will need to be big to make them not sign a pro deal, but you won't have to match the pro deal dollar for dollar. You just have to show that you can develop a guy so that the pro money will be the same or better 3 years from now but you'll be better prepared for the pro lifestyle and environment along with making a few hundred grand along the way.
The calculus has changed. It's no longer a money in vs money out deal . That part alone will send more guys to co.llege Once scholarship limits are increased (it's coming), the talent pool will open up in ways it hasn't before.
It's also more important for prospects vs org guys.
Fringe (round 11-20 or UDFA) draft junior position players, and fringe to even round 6-10 junior pitchers is where the NIL bang for your buck will be. This is the category that will provide a ton of value on the college team side because they're good proven players with track record. It will provide value on the player side because they could finish their degree before entering pro ball without affecting their odds of making the majors negatively, and they can do it while making a little bit of money and likely not coming out of pocket for school at that point.
These are the transfer portal deals.
The bigger deals won't have as much bang for your buck but will be needed to sway the HS draftees. The first component is that they really have to have a genuine interest in going to school, no amount of NIL money will buy thaTt. he deals will need to be big to make them not sign a pro deal, but you won't have to match the pro deal dollar for dollar. You just have to show that you can develop a guy so that the pro money will be the same or better 3 years from now but you'll be better prepared for the pro lifestyle and environment along with making a few hundred grand along the way.
The calculus has changed. It's no longer a money in vs money out deal . That part alone will send more guys to co.llege Once scholarship limits are increased (it's coming), the talent pool will open up in ways it hasn't before.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:58 am to thunderbird1100
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NIL definitely could be the difference in some of these guys signing in the 3rd-10th rounds vs. coming to college instead. Going to be tougher with the 1st/2nd rounder all getting 7 figure bonus deals, but NIL could certainly sway some of the 6 figure bonus guys.
Which might make teams more hesitant to draft high school players in that range. I'm pretty sure that a teams lose $ from their draft pool if they don't sign their Top 10 Round picks.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:59 am to DBG
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The schools are not paying, you’re right, but let’s not be naive and say there’s no coordination between school and collective.
Never said there wasn’t. Just said the money is not coming from the schools and they aren’t going to want that to change.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:12 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Which might make teams more hesitant to draft high school players in that range. I'm pretty sure that a teams lose $ from their draft pool if they don't sign their Top 10 Round picks.
Typically teams haven't been drafting anyone in the top 10 rounds unless they get a verbal commitment on the phone. If a players number is so far off from what they're willing to give they move on to the next unless it's a top 25 overall prospect who they hope to sway over the two weeks post draft.
Could a player after being selected in say round 5 start back door negotiations between the MLB and NIL? Sure.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:19 am to DBG
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he worked in the NIL business for a little while.
How is it possible that he worked in a business that was created last year "for a while"?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:21 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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Which might make teams more hesitant to draft high school players in that range. I'm pretty sure that a teams lose $ from their draft pool if they don't sign their Top 10 Round picks.
They lose the money for that slot value from their pool of money they have to sign players that year but they do get a compensatory pick the following year.
Signability is something MLB take into account when they draft someone. Most early round draft picks they know for sure they are going to sign those guys. That’s why you’ll see a guy projected as a first rounder go in the 5-10 range. It’s just a team that is taking a shot that maybe they can save some money on another pick (like a college senior with no leverage) to offer the other guy.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 10:26 am to The Boat
This tbh. Don’t know why we would spend valuable money on Baseball when football should always be the number 1 priority
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