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Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:58 am to Alt26
I think it’s worth having the conversation for a guy like Jacob Berry as well.
Jay sits Berry down and says hey, we have a $250K check for you right now, you improved at 3B throughout the year, next year you’ll be there from game 1, hopefully no injury, we obviously have a great relationship, we have better coaching and facilities than single A ball, and we can make you the 1st or 2nd pick in 2023 instead of the 5th or 6th this year(difference of roughly $2.5 million this year) plus you still maintain some leverage by only being a junior next year.
It’s unlikely but just thinking it out.
Jay sits Berry down and says hey, we have a $250K check for you right now, you improved at 3B throughout the year, next year you’ll be there from game 1, hopefully no injury, we obviously have a great relationship, we have better coaching and facilities than single A ball, and we can make you the 1st or 2nd pick in 2023 instead of the 5th or 6th this year(difference of roughly $2.5 million this year) plus you still maintain some leverage by only being a junior next year.
It’s unlikely but just thinking it out.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:58 am to Tight 10
Posted on 6/8/22 at 8:59 am to tenderfoot tigah
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There will be a shift in power over time.
What I’m interested in is what happens in 3-4 years when some programs aren’t pushing out championships. Alumni and high value donors want to see some ROI. I just don’t know how sustainable this is in the long run at the current rate. Will they go back to investing in the university’s facilities?
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:01 am to Alt26
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Let's say a junior or, more likely, a draft eligible sophomore gets taken in the 4th round. He may be able to sign a $500k contract. Usually he would leave for that amount...even if he thought he maybe could improve his draft position with another year of college. But if he can now get a $300k NIL deal there is less risk for him to stay in school. Not all guys would choose to stay. But a 6 figure NIL deal for a player like that would give him something to think about.
The issue with this if it’s a Junior that comes back he loses all his leverage in the next draft. So unless another year could significantly increase his draft prospects he would more than likely sign a smaller contract the next year.
Now this does come into play for guys like Deichman when he decided to come back or Doughty. Berry is going to be top of the first round so he may be a bad example but the thought still exist. These guys have two years of eligibility so they can take the NIL deal play another year and still have that same leverage the next season.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:03 am to ashy larry
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It could influence SOME players that are on the fence. I still think a lot of players at the age of 18-21 think they aren't far from making it to the majors and upping that salary. So they would still be enticed to take the more money and a chance to get a head start on their pro career.
I have not talked to many baseball players that think they are knocking on the door of the majors. Many don't look forward at all to the minor league grind. I think way more will stay in college with NIL money. The minor league grind is well known as terrible.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:05 am to DBG
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Jay sits Berry down and says hey, we have a $250K check for you right now, you improved at 3B throughout the year, next year you’ll be there from game 1, hopefully no injury, we obviously have a great relationship, we have better coaching and facilities than single A ball, and we can make you the 1st or 2nd pick in 2023 instead of the 5th or 6th this year(difference of roughly $2.5 million this year) plus you still maintain some leverage by only being a junior next year.
If Berry goes Top 10 that's all he could ever hope for because he's shown he doesnt have a position really. Coming back would be a huge mistake, he's not improving his draft position with another year.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:06 am to The Hurricane
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What I’m interested in is what happens in 3-4 years when some programs aren’t pushing out championships. Alumni and high value donors want to see some ROI.
That, and when the players they "signed" use the one free transfer rule in an attempt to leverage them for even bigger deals than they originally signed for. In addition to paying HS recruits, the returning players are going to be looking for larger "extensions" to stay. Unlike professional ball, there are no contracts which keep a player on the same team for multiple years. Just about every player (who hasn't already transferred) is a Free Agent all the time.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:07 am to The Hurricane
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There will be a shift in power over time.
What I’m interested in is what happens in 3-4 years when some programs aren’t pushing out championships. Alumni and high value donors want to see some ROI. I just don’t know how sustainable this is in the long run at the current rate. Will they go back to investing in the university’s facilities?
Think bigger. Billionaires will be able to buy entire classes by themselves and the cost equivalence would be like us going to Chick-fil-A.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:07 am to thunderbird1100
I don’t disagree. Just a thought experiment.
If he takes 10,000 ground balls at 3B before next February, I think you could see a very solid glove there and he sheds the “no position” label.
I’m just saying a NIL boost could factor into that.
If he takes 10,000 ground balls at 3B before next February, I think you could see a very solid glove there and he sheds the “no position” label.
I’m just saying a NIL boost could factor into that.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:09 am to Alt26
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That, and when the players they "signed" use the one free transfer rule in an attempt to leverage them for even bigger deals than they originally signed for. In addition to paying HS recruits, the returning players are going to be looking for larger "extensions" to stay. Unlike professional ball, there are no contracts which keep a player on the same team for multiple years. Just about every player (who hasn't already transferred) is a Free Agent all the time.
This is why eventually players will have to be classified as employees. The courts have spoken, they won’t allow any real or perceived cap on deals and money players can get.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:09 am to DBG
We could turn the NIL guns and buy up freshman transfers like the nc state masher. He is locked in for at least 1 more possibly two years and proven at the college level.
I think a good mix like that and we are sailing along just fine.
I think a good mix like that and we are sailing along just fine.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:10 am to DBG
You don’t have to match the pro money 1:1
Do you have any idea how much fricking fun it would be to have even 50k a year in spending money as a college freshman and be a star athlete
That’s a lot of money when your room, board, food, school, and books are paid for. It’s basically just fun money.
That would be one of the best experiences in your life, and you still have your pro pay day in the future. It’s a no brainer.
Do you have any idea how much fricking fun it would be to have even 50k a year in spending money as a college freshman and be a star athlete
That’s a lot of money when your room, board, food, school, and books are paid for. It’s basically just fun money.
That would be one of the best experiences in your life, and you still have your pro pay day in the future. It’s a no brainer.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:10 am to sportsaddit68
Hanny yes, Hunt no. Hunt just bloviates what he perceives to be real, but his sports knowledge is severely lacking.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:10 am to lsu13lsu
The timeframe to the MLB for a player coming out of high school is roughly the same whether they go to college or go to the minors. Either way unless you are an absolute phenom you will be 22-23 before you make the MLB.
The question is do you want to spend those first three years playing low minor league ball and riding in buses and making shite money outside of your signing bonus or do you want to spend them at LSU travel by private planes to most away games, have first class facilities and training, and be an absolute king on campus. All while still make some money now thanks to NIL.
The question is do you want to spend those first three years playing low minor league ball and riding in buses and making shite money outside of your signing bonus or do you want to spend them at LSU travel by private planes to most away games, have first class facilities and training, and be an absolute king on campus. All while still make some money now thanks to NIL.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:11 am to DBG
You just described a level 1 recruiting violation!
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:12 am to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s a lot of money when your room, board, food, school, and books are paid for. It’s basically just fun money.
Not all this is paid for on a baseball scholarship. No one gets a full ride for baseball. You do have to take that into consideration.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:14 am to DBG
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This is why eventually players will have to be classified as employees.
This will never happen. The schools will never go for it. They still aren’t paying a dime to the players and making them employees will open yourself up to unions.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:19 am to DBG
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we can make you the 1st or 2nd pick in 2023 instead of the 5th or 6th this year(difference of roughly $2.5 million this year)
This really isn’t that big of a difference when you are talking about signing for 4.5+ Mil as a top 10 pick.
Plus there is no guarantee he would be drafted better next year. You are only talking about 9 spots if he is the 10th pick(which he will be gone by then). He isn’t going 1 because Crews would get drafted before him plus no telling what kind of high school phenom they got out there.
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:21 am to geauxtigers33
I don’t see how it’s sustainable when you have a brand new rookie payroll every year for each sport. That is a crazy amount of money to keep up with everyone you compete against.
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