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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:07 am to Jwho77
i was talking about this early in the year and the common response was basically people assuming i wanted to go all the way to the other end of the spectrum. that's not true at all, is all i'm saying. i'm just re-urging the same points with more data
and miles is STUBBORN but not dim. he just thinks we can with with a blocking TE and FB without passing over the middle and relying primarily on sideline routes off playaction. he believes in that system and believes if we execute it, nobody can stop us. his stubbornness is his belief in that very flawed system
and miles is STUBBORN but not dim. he just thinks we can with with a blocking TE and FB without passing over the middle and relying primarily on sideline routes off playaction. he believes in that system and believes if we execute it, nobody can stop us. his stubbornness is his belief in that very flawed system
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
I think he wants to pass to the TE, they just call plays on percentages. A QB that doesn't execute is hard to coach around.
I can't fault him for constantly trying to bring in people to develop a QB, maybe his judgement in coaches is in question.
I can't fault him for constantly trying to bring in people to develop a QB, maybe his judgement in coaches is in question.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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and miles is STUBBORN but not dim. he just thinks we can with with a blocking TE and FB without passing over the middle and relying primarily on sideline routes off playaction. he believes in that system and believes if we execute it, nobody can stop us.
That line of thinking in this division of this conference, especially against Alabama when it has been proven a failure, is as dim as it is stubborn.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:11 am to GRTiger
The bad losses don't even get me upset when I watch them. What infuriates me are the excuses for this bullshite.
The bad WINS that are ignored because they are just that, wins, are what have always shown me that Les gets by on talent alone and has been incredibly lucky to land the job he did, when he did. They are what leave me feeling with a tentative happiness. I HATE seeing my alma mater's outrageously talented football team underperform year after year.
I've said it before, if it weren't for TM7, Les would have already been gone.
He's lucked into most, if not all, that his resume contains. Think of me what you will, but these losses will never be quite so hard for me to stomach because I know they are coming. And they'll continue to happen, year after year, until the real hindrance is addressed...
The bad WINS that are ignored because they are just that, wins, are what have always shown me that Les gets by on talent alone and has been incredibly lucky to land the job he did, when he did. They are what leave me feeling with a tentative happiness. I HATE seeing my alma mater's outrageously talented football team underperform year after year.
I've said it before, if it weren't for TM7, Les would have already been gone.
He's lucked into most, if not all, that his resume contains. Think of me what you will, but these losses will never be quite so hard for me to stomach because I know they are coming. And they'll continue to happen, year after year, until the real hindrance is addressed...
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:14 am to The Estimator
Your perspective is fair, but you definitely seem like the type that will be blindsided by a worse coach when Miles is gone. Or you'll stubbornly still say you're happier.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:14 am to The Estimator
The worst part is LSU's most prized recruit ever, and likely best running back to ever grace the school will have career with no real team accomplishments. Maybe LF will get to play in Atlanta as a pro.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:15 am to fightin tigers
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I think he wants to pass to the TE,
why?
our #1 TE is an OL
when was the last time under miles that we featured a receiving TE?
our offense wants to eliminate passing over the middle, which limits TEs from being effective
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm with you. What defines our program is defense and winning in the trenches. 3rd and long scenarios and using the crowd gives us an "edge", and punctuating a big stop by imposing our will offensively with a backbreaking drive, is the mark of our program. You can have a statistically good defense like Oklahoma State (on per play metrics), but big-time SEC programs need to have consistently great defenses and line play on both sides. That is why I don't think Freeze, as good of a coach he is, will ever really turn the page.
This is part of the genius of Nick Saban. You know you can control outcomes far more effectively by stacking recruiting classes with elite linemen, running a consistently elite defense, pounding the rock, and having a game manager QB. It works way better like that in college because QB play is variant.
But to your point on doing what we do smarter, I agree. Ultimately, I'm just ready to see a well-run team. LSU is well-run only a few games a year. The rest of the year, we are struggling put away teams with inferior resources, making absurd in-game decisions, and making a litany of errors in basic execution (penalties).
This is part of the genius of Nick Saban. You know you can control outcomes far more effectively by stacking recruiting classes with elite linemen, running a consistently elite defense, pounding the rock, and having a game manager QB. It works way better like that in college because QB play is variant.
But to your point on doing what we do smarter, I agree. Ultimately, I'm just ready to see a well-run team. LSU is well-run only a few games a year. The rest of the year, we are struggling put away teams with inferior resources, making absurd in-game decisions, and making a litany of errors in basic execution (penalties).
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:16 am to GRTiger
I'm a pragmatist. If I were, wrong, I'd eat my crow, but with the assurance that Les wasn't winning anything big for the remainder of his tenure anyway.
But, I know we can do better with the talent we have. Remove the problem, the results should be improved.
But, I know we can do better with the talent we have. Remove the problem, the results should be improved.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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this is what you get for not fighting the good fight earlier and for not converting others once you saw the light
Why are you're lecturing fans of the team. Bitching about the team's flaws over and over is waste of time on a message board. Of course you wouldn't get that. Up to a 200,000 post lead from nearest next poster? WOW
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Honestly thought this was a perfectly built Miles team. We had our power run game going and Harris was progressing. The Alabama game happened and now we are lost.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:19 am to Lou Pai
yeah our team just doesn't seem capable of mixing things up. hell we have problems just getting plays in
to use a bama example (although on the opposite side of the ball), look at when they trot out like 19 guys on defense pre-snap, waiting to see what the offense runs out so they can get the right D. does anyone think this team under miles could do that?
our hurry up last night was just comical
when we aren't allowed to run a slow, methodical offense that eats clock, we don't seem to be able to even line up or get plays in
to use a bama example (although on the opposite side of the ball), look at when they trot out like 19 guys on defense pre-snap, waiting to see what the offense runs out so they can get the right D. does anyone think this team under miles could do that?
our hurry up last night was just comical
when we aren't allowed to run a slow, methodical offense that eats clock, we don't seem to be able to even line up or get plays in
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:21 am to SlowFlowPro
There is no such thing as irreplaceable. Keeping a broken system in place, out of fear that the one or two working parts might be lost, seems to me like folly.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:23 am to c on z
quote:you mean when miles made the tight end for north carolina drop 2 td passes in the end zone at the end of the game, Tennessee having 15 people on the feild, or when the ball bounced straight up against florida on the fake field goal?
If Miles did not come through in 2010 like he did
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm with you here. We can't fire him this year. Now next year, with the talent being a year older, if he does not end up in Atlanta, he needs to be gone.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:26 am to The Estimator
I just know that it is more likely we regress, at least for some time, before we get better. It very well could be medicine that we need even if I don't want it, but I do not look forward to that era. We may to the "might as well" stage, but it still sucks to anticipate.
Of course there is the possibility that we get immediately better and the new coach excels right away, but that is exceedingly rare these days, especially when the previous gets 8-10 wins every singe year.
Of course there is the possibility that we get immediately better and the new coach excels right away, but that is exceedingly rare these days, especially when the previous gets 8-10 wins every singe year.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Les, great guy, but an awful game day coach! No offense, no Qb poor LF probably wish he would have gone to a better team. I can remember when we were not so good, but we always had a good defense!
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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ay too much money on that contract
This is the only reason we can't fire him right now.
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oo much disruption with his loyal assistants (namely wilson, but raymond is a key guy in my eyes, too. i don't think orgeron would care who his HC is but i don't know if we'd retain him, either)
Raymond's secondary sucks. It has regressed every year he's been here. He's no Ron Cooper. I know Raymond recruits better, but what's the point when they look lost? He can go and we wouldn't miss him.
Orgeron may stay depending on the new coach. I'd like to keep him, but it isn't the end of a program if we lose him too.
Wilson is one I'd like to keep, but RB coaches and recruiters are a dime a dozen it seems. He's replaceable.
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also, an up and coming coach like Hermon or Fuente would not give an iota of fricks if they got the shot at a program like LSU. coaches are egomaniacs and they all believe they are better than guys they replace.
FUente DO NOT WANT. MEmphis gets owned by Navy and UH? No thank you.
Hermann we can talk about if others like Jimbo, Gundy, Bielema, and Chip Kelly turn us down.
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lso, there are some heavy hitters who will be hiring this offseason and it may be best if LSU is the clear top dog in the offseason where we replace miles
Meh. USC will go with an NFL guy and UGA will go with a cheap hire because they're UGA. Nobody else is a bigger draw than LSU after those two.
Alleva should've called Les' bluff when he tried to go to Arkansas to get a raise. Then we'd be able to fire him.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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he just thinks we can with with a blocking TE and FB without passing over the middle and relying primarily on sideline routes off playaction.
why didn't he run this system 05-07? Did 08 destroy him psychologically that bad? Hell, 08 wasn't any worse than last season or this season.
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