re: Guilbeau: Orgeron does not inherit as great a program as Miles

you are either a Miles apologist or a Oregeron hater. Either way if you can't see that Miles grossly mismanaged the roster the last several years you don't know jack about football and recruiting. The O line is not championship caliber and QB play is mediocre at best.

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shall we compare the 4 years prior for both? CLM inherited a program that won a National Title and sec titles...COach O and Saban did not so how is the program better today than when CLM took over?

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Let's use Saban's 5 years here vs Miles' final 5 years. Better record in a much stronger conference.

I keep seeing this about the OL yet people who get paid to judge these things and use stats rated the OL line #1... However, a board dedicated to LSU rates them as poor.

Stats don't always tell the truth

i honestly think the program is stronger today than when Miles took over.

We recruit a wider geographical area, the LSU brand is significantly stronger, and the facilities and money have continued to improve.

Say what you want about Miles. But, one thing he did do at an exceptional level was keep the "Program" running at an extremely high level. It's why I was never that concerned about him underperforming. The program never took a step backwards, and at the point where a change was going to be made, whoever took over was going to be able to hit the ground running.

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you are either a Miles apologist or a Oregeron hater. Either way if you can't see that Miles grossly mismanaged the roster the last several years you don't know jack about football and recruiting. The O line is not championship caliber and QB play is mediocre at best.

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I'm neither and never said what you're referring to.

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I promised myself that I would try to avoid pointless LSU arguments

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Good Luck with that

However I have resisted several

but obviously not this one

Curious when LSU offense was good?
One of worst passing offenses in football (101)
One of the better rushing offenses in football (21st)
Middle of the pack scoring offense (62nd)
A pretty bad redzone offense (76nd)

Which numbers tell other wise?

That 65th ranked passing efficiency?
Must be the 45th ranked pass per completion...

points per possession. Yards per possession. A real, and factual stat.

Why should LSU's offense be compared to Baylor's and Oregon's when they run completely different types of offenses in terms of tempo.

LSU runs less plays per game by choice and should be ranked accordingly.

It's also why their defensive stats are so inflated. Albeit, this year wasn't too bad. but in years past their defense was very inflated in terms of points per possession.

Look, the debate is valid but not nearly so definitive as Guilbeau and many posters are making it out to be. GG wrote an article with interesting takes on draftees from the past that can be impossible to measure against draftees in an unknown future.

Like many teams, we have strengths and weaknesses, neither of which Les MIles would ever acknowledge. That's why the man was fired.

At least we have a coach who knows what we have and don't have and will try to fill the gaps this year and the years to come.

Is the cupboard bare? Hell no. Are we set to win a national championship? Umm, I don't think so. One reason is depth, especially on the oline.

And finally, until we get an elite qb who can do more than just "manage" the game, it is extremely doubtful we win a national championship.

But in the SEC, except against Alabama, I'd take next year's team's potential over anyone else in the conference. So I say, the Tigers got a lot of bite in them and ain't no one, including Bama, are too excited to meet us on the field of play.

I say kick arse in 2017 and don't look back.