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re: Guice accused of rape while at LSU
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:39 am to rob62
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:39 am to rob62
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It is not LSU's place to act against any student based on unsubstantiated allegations. LSU is not a Court Of Law nor can they investigate Felonious allegations. These charges must be filed by these women and they declined to do so. So how does LSU investigate charges from anyone when they refuse to act legally against their alleged rapist?
Right or wrong, that is not how Title IX works
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Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:39 am to ColeLSU
quote:MLB and NFL "bird dogs" are pretty freaking good.....
I wanna know how all the NFL teams knew about this So long before it became public
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:39 am to rob62
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It is not LSU's place to act against any student based on unsubstantiated allegations. LSU is not a Court Of Law nor can they investigate Felonious allegations.
You should probably brush up on the relevant law lol
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:40 am to rob62
Well it actually is LSU’s responsibility if a Title IX complaint is filed. That’s why the first girl, as tragic as her story may be personally, is a nothing burger as far as LSU is concerned. She never filed any sort of formal complaint, and in fact LSU reached out to her when they informally found about the rumors and she refused to file a complaint.
The second girl’s story will place LSU in a world of hurt, and rightfully so. If true. If. As of now she only claims to have filed an official report.
I will say, strange that with the first girl LSU affirmatively reaches out about filing a complaint when they heard about the incident through the grapevine. Yet the second girl allegedly brings the complaint and everything but it’s then completely brushed under the rug.
The second girl’s story will place LSU in a world of hurt, and rightfully so. If true. If. As of now she only claims to have filed an official report.
I will say, strange that with the first girl LSU affirmatively reaches out about filing a complaint when they heard about the incident through the grapevine. Yet the second girl allegedly brings the complaint and everything but it’s then completely brushed under the rug.
This post was edited on 8/19/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:40 am to rob62
I struggle with the groupthink that football coaches should be fired for things that players do off campus. If a coach covers things up, that's a different story, but for all of Leslie's faults, cover ups and coddling athletes doesnt fit his MO.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:41 am to rob62
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It is not LSU's place to act against any student based on unsubstantiated allegations. LSU is not a Court Of Law nor can they investigate Felonious allegations. These charges must be filed by these women and they declined to do so. So how does LSU investigate charges from anyone when they refuse to act legally against their alleged rapist?
Many of you need a basic Civics Course.
OK. You read the 2011 and 2014 dear colleague letter regarding Title IX under the Obama administration. Universities then had to get involved under these circumstances or else face exorbitant fines and/or loss of accreditation/federal financial aid programs.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:41 am to Vacherie Saint
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I struggle with the groupthink that football coaches should be fired for things that players do off campus. If a coach covers things up, that's a different story, but for all of Leslie's faults, cover ups and coddling athletes doesnt fit his MO.
Agreed
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:41 am to DBG
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Also, frick Derrius Guice. This is awful and I hope the victims get justice.
His career is likely over. No NFL team is going to take that PR risk for an injury plagued RB
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:43 am to tigerfan88
So the second girl filed a formal complaint to LSU while Guice was at LSU?
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:43 am to tigerskin
quote:
Right or wrong, that is not how Title IX works
Sorry dude. Title IX does not supersede
The Constitution which guarantees a fair trial. Take a Civics Course.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:44 am to Lester Earl
quote:only a matter of time before both names are on TD
The woman’s boyfriend at the time, an LSU football recruit, wasn’t at the party. But he said the woman told him afterward about both the alleged assault and her conversation with the nurse. His description matched that of the woman’s.
The former boyfriend redshirted his freshman year and said he steered clear of Guice because “I probably would have lost my (expletive) on him.” But he said LSU head football coach Ed Orgeron brought up the subject of his then-girlfriend and Guice about a year after the alleged assault, telling the athlete that he shouldn’t be bothered by it.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:44 am to TigerFanFromBama
I want to see this former tennis player. The Women’s tennis team has maybe 10 people on it. There should be some kind of article out there about a teammate being dismissed but I can’t find it.
My gf is close friends with an OT 8 who was very close with Guice at LSU. She was over last week and brought up the allegations and being cut by Washington.
She’s had him over many times, even late night, and he drove her home often when she was too f’d up. She admits that he can get pretty angry at times, but says that the allegations are complete bullshite and there’s nothing ‘rapey’ about him.
This came from a 5’5 blonde white girl who’s own father knows Guice.
The timing is too peculiar. My opinion will change if something real comes to light or there actually is any evidence at all but for now I think these allegations are just that.
And I’d be very interested to see them reveal who these women really are if the allegations are false.
My gf is close friends with an OT 8 who was very close with Guice at LSU. She was over last week and brought up the allegations and being cut by Washington.
She’s had him over many times, even late night, and he drove her home often when she was too f’d up. She admits that he can get pretty angry at times, but says that the allegations are complete bullshite and there’s nothing ‘rapey’ about him.
This came from a 5’5 blonde white girl who’s own father knows Guice.
The timing is too peculiar. My opinion will change if something real comes to light or there actually is any evidence at all but for now I think these allegations are just that.
And I’d be very interested to see them reveal who these women really are if the allegations are false.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:44 am to Ed Osteen
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Do you think the Redskins just happened to be interviewing her the day before?
Maybe the Skins are looking for a legal hook to shore up a 'moral clause' firing - a way out of paying Guice any contract money.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:45 am to Vacherie Saint
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I struggle with the groupthink that football coaches should be fired for things that players do off campus.
I'm assuming the alleged rapes occurred at on-campus apartments? That might matter greatly in terms of if it was applicable to title ix regulations.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:46 am to LSU Patrick
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I struggle with the groupthink that football coaches should be fired for things that players do off campus. If a coach covers things up, that's a different story, but for all of Leslie's faults, cover ups and coddling athletes doesnt fit his MO..
Agreed +1. As much as I didn’t like F. King and JA, this doesn’t fit their MO either. It seems unlikely to me that these two would have known and done nothing. I’m not saying they didn’t know; they may have known and taken all appropriate steps given the circumstances at the time and it may have resulted in nothing. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems these two would have been all over this issue.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:46 am to rob62
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Sorry dude. Title IX does not supersede
The Constitution which guarantees a fair trial. Take a Civics Course.
cmon brotha
thats like comparing the freedom of speech with hippa
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:47 am to rob62
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Sorry dude. Title IX does not supersede
The Constitution which guarantees a fair trial. Take a Civics Course.
You are talking about a different thing. Yes, the courts will be the ones to decide Guice’s innocence or guilt.
That has nothing to do with what universities have to do to follow Title IX protocols. You can huff and puff about it all you want, but that is just how it is these days.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:47 am to PlacerCoTiger
Especially Joe Alleva, for crying out loud. Let's not forget the situation at Duke just before he got here.
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:48 am to saturncube21
That’s what she claims. It’s noteworthy that her success in her personal lawsuit against the NCAA hinges almost completely on a properly filed Title IX complaint that LSU then failed to follow up on entirely. It might not be a coincidence that that’s exactly what she’s alleging.
Let’s wait to see if she indeed did file a complaint, and if so whether LSU really did no nothing.
Let’s wait to see if she indeed did file a complaint, and if so whether LSU really did no nothing.
This post was edited on 8/19/20 at 8:50 am
Posted on 8/19/20 at 8:48 am to PlacerCoTiger
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Agreed +1. As much as I didn’t like F. King and JA, this doesn’t fit their MO either. It seems unlikely to me that these two would have known and done nothing. I’m not saying they didn’t know; they may have known and taken all appropriate steps given the circumstances at the time and it may have resulted in nothing. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems these two would have been all over this issue.
I thought so too, then thought alleva might be slow to react after Duke lacrosse
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