re: Guess what? LSU leads the nation since 2013 - by far.

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The problem was he couldnt find a competent QB. The state quit producing them and 4* QB's arent going to come to LSU from out of state and hand the ball to Fournette and not be the focal point of the offense, when they can stay at home and be the man, would you?

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LSU has had quite a few four star QB's.

Using the same time period of 2013 - present:

2013:
Hayden Rettig - California - Natl 143 Pos 9 State 18

2014:
Brandon Harris - Louisiana - Natl 75 Pos 3 State 7

2015:
0 four stars
Justin McMillan - Texas - 3-star

2016;
0 four stars
Lindsey Scott - La - 3-star

Zack Mettenberger was on the team in 2013. Anthony Jennings and Danny Etling were two 4-stars that were on the team during this time also.

Now, it has been a long time since an LSU QB declared for the draft, but to say the whole problem at LSU has been GETTING QB's is a little short-sighted. Part of the problem but not the entire problem.

Having a Heisman winning QB does not guarantee a national championship.

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Another bullshite thread by the resident troll who desperately changes the spin almost daily.

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You are upset because I posted an informative article that is about LSU and the extraordinary amount of players declaring for the NFL draft?

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Wasn’t it yesterday that Special Ed had to rebuild because “Miles left the program with no talent”?

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Looks like today's (this) article is pretty much saying the same thing as yesterday's article. Do you think it says otherwise?

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Miles is long gone and this is Special Ed’s third year, Ponamsky.

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Ya'll need to make up your mind. It changes from thread to thread. Most of your ilk refuse to accept his interim tenure but now that it fits your agenda you throw it out there.

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He wins big this year or he’s shitcanned

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And you'll still be here posting bullshite like your above statement, proving you don't know shite.

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you’ll be looking for a shite radio job in Monroe or Alexandria

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I will? I've never stepped foot in a radio station before. What do they pay? Sounds like a cool gig if the money is good.

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I can see the narrative will soon be "Recruiting isn't top 10 any more, but at least we don't lose Jrs to NFL".

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Seems to work for Clemson. Their highest rated class since then was #9 and they have only lost 20 players to the draft.

2013: 15 Clemson
2014: 16 Clemson
2015: 9 Clemson
2016: 11 Clemson
2017: 16 Clemson

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most of these kids have no other future except for pro football so as soon as they are eligible they are gone

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If only they could go to college to change their life trajectory...

oh WAIT they ARE in college.

Shameful decision by coaches to attract them with NFL futures rather than an education; and short-sightedness by students to not see the reality of the average NFL career vs the benefits of a degree.

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The 4-year minimum base salaries for players in the 2017 draft was as follows: $465,000 (Year 1), $540,000 (Year 2), $615,000 (Year 3), $690,000 (Year 4).

That is life changing money. Add to that the likelihood that many of the players declaring for the draft and even those not would not likely be going to LSU without football and are pursuing a degree that is not likely to get them that in their lifetime, they'll risk declaring for an opportunity at that money.

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the benefits of a degree.

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Primarily a better job opportunity. We can argue whether these kids are leaving too early so as not to maximize their NFL chances but let's not pretend that most of the guys who declare were stellar students heading for a career within their major of sports administration or applied kinesiology. They're working on a football degree and looking to graduate early, often because their family has placed the burden on them to lift the whole family out of poverty.

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What is it you are hoping to prove with this?

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Not trying to prove anything. I believe the author of the article is showing that LSU has had more underclassmen declare for the draft than any team in the nation. And that it had become a common theme among the players and recruits.

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That schools that win national titles have kids who leave early? Because the top 6 schools on your list have won every national title dating back to 2006...

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Would that be true if they had lost as many players as LSU? What if LSU had not lost two JR CB's to the draft this year? Would LSU even have a perceived weakness on defense?

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Of course, people will make a bigger deal out of this but under Orgeron you are averaging 5/year not including the large number of transfers.

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The LSU staff is now trying to stem the tide of early departures.

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At LSU, leaving for the NFL after Year 3 is cultural in nature, those interviewed for this story say. It has become the “cool thing” to do here, one remarked, an avalanche started by the 11-member exodus in 2013.

Stopping it is not easy.

Coach Ed Orgeron and LSU have started using external help in the form of consultants, said Verge Ausberry, deputy director of athletics. They distribute packets of information to underclassmen mulling a leap to professional sports, with specifics to that prospect’s value and how it could increase with a return to college.

“We educate our young men (on) how it works, your value, where you want to go and getting the most out of your value,” Ausberry said. “Just don’t go to the NFL to go to the NFL. You have outside consultants Coach O has used very well and you see the numbers of guys who have come back.”

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The new hard 25 scholarship limit is going to CRUSH schools like LSU who lose lots of juniors to the draft. You won't see it in year 1 or 2, but the lack of depth will manifest itself soon enough.

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Very good point.

Teams will have to recruit the recruits and their players.

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Would that be true if they had lost as many players as LSU? What if LSU had not lost two JR CB's to the draft this year? Would LSU even have a perceived weakness on defense?

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Those losses would've been somewhat mitigated by signing Surtain, but O couldn't even take care of that.

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Not trying to prove anything.

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then what is the purpose of this thread? to continue your daily mission of linking articles about LSU that any LSU fan with an average working knowledge of how google or twitter works can access?

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Would that be true if they had lost as many players as LSU?

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that question is irrelevant. all of these schools have dealt with losses.

if you are a really good program, you are going to attract really good players. this is not subjective. I am not expressing an opinion here.

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What if LSU had not lost two JR CB's to the draft this year?

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Then Orgeron would not have to be signing grad transfers from Stanford and converting a wide receiver and safety to CB, but he probably would have also had a much harder time on selling Surtain on coming in and playing right away, which he was able to do. It didn't work out for him.

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Would LSU even have a perceived weakness on defense?

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lol. you must not read the articles you link here daily. the strength of LSU is its defense. its the offense, replacing its QB, RB, WRs and 3 OL that is the perceived weakness.


small wonder you only link articles. any time you try to offer up your opinion, you end up looking clueless.

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Those losses would've been somewhat mitigated by signing Surtain, but O couldn't even take care of that.

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Wasn't the LSU DB coach related or the godfather of the recruit. I know he had a LONG relationship with the kid and family.

I think this comes down to Bama starting the rumor of Raymond leaving LSU right at the very end of the process.

Surtain was never committed to LSU. Bama lost a 5-star LB and a 4-star DT that were committed on signiing day. Just like Eaux stole Jacob Phillips from OU a day or two from signing day last season.

It happens.