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re: Grimes being hammered for OLine play, why isn't Brick Haley eating it for DLine?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:09 pm to therick711
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:09 pm to therick711
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Staff didn't really want Johnson though. They cooled on him for a reason and his commitment was a surprise. Hunter and Rasco are utter busts at this point...so yeah, they struck out on them. However, it's too early to evaluate the rest of the lineman because they're all true sophomores or younger.
Calling Hunter and Rasco busts is completely insane. They may not be superstars but a bust is somebody who never develops and rides the bench. Both Hunter and Rasco are decent starting quality players.
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Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:13 pm to MC5601
They're average at best and based on their hype I would call them busts. Hunter reminds me of Vernon Gholston. Once an NFL team sees Hunter without a shirt on his stock will immediately be no lower than 2nd-round pick.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:19 pm to JaxTiger10
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People that are bashing our oline play are crazy. You could have the 92 cowboys oline and they couldn't block 10 man fronts. I dont think posters understand how little other teams respected our passing game. 85% of the game Miss st was in man coverage with one safety over the top.then when we were in obvious passing downs all the defense had to do was pin their ears back.
I agree with you to an extent. However, go re-watch Jennings' first INT against NMSU. The vaunted Aggie defense rushed only 4 guys. On a play where all 4 receivers ran vertical routes that take time to develop, LSU's RT didn't even attempt to block NMSU's left DE. Instead, he doubled teamed the left DT, leaving Hillard with the responsibility to block the DE. The pressure forced Jennings to step up and throw quicker than he wanted to. I can't imagine on a pass play that LSU was so concerned about NMSU's DT that they were willing to let the End run free.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:20 pm to Alt26
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I agree with you to an extent. However, go re-watch Jennings' first INT against NMSU. The vaunted Aggie defense rushed only 4 guys. On a play where all 4 receivers ran vertical routes that take time to develop, LSU's RT didn't even attempt to block NMSU's left DE. Instead, he doubled teamed the left DT, leaving Hillard with the responsibility to block the DE. The pressure forced Jennings to step up and throw quicker than he wanted to. I can't imagine on a pass play that LSU was so concerned about NMSU's DT that they were willing to let the End run free.
That also could be a quarterback issue. If he checks to the wrong protection, you could end up with something like that.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:25 pm to deuce985
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They're average at best and based on their hype I would call them busts.
Neither is a superstar. But neither is a bust. They're both solid starters and Rasco was a force at the end of '13. Still lots of football to be played.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:36 pm to MC5601
They can still come on strong, but I would say they are both below average SEC DE's.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:37 pm to sunnydaze
quote:you guys love to argue. I'm just having a chat. I believe you.
one young guy on the OL = a young OL?
You have a dumb argument dude
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:41 pm to The Mick
Im going to say im not liking the dline play at all. And im not sure if haley just lucked out with some super talent over the years, but its seems our dts havent worked out. The guys that have performed better were the guys that moved inside like brockers, ego and now thomas and lacouture. these guys played de in hs. But then we have highly rated dts in guys like, johnson, johnson and davenport, yet they never lived up to the hype. And now we are seeing bain and gilmore un able to get on the field while a frosh that played de in hs and was hurt his sr year is now starting at dt.
Now obviously idk the ins and outs of the recruiting but id think haley watches film on his position group and discusses it with chavis and miles and miles ultimately gives the nod for offering a scholly. Somewhere someone isnt doing a good enough job at evaluating and then getting these dts ready to play.
I think rasco is good, i honestly thought he would have been the perfect fit and mlb when he was coming out of hs. Which leads me to my next thing, wtf is wrong with our linebackers. We recruited heavy that position yet it continues to be a weak spot. We seem to alwasy have only one really good lb every year, this year is kwon, before minter, then sheppard, then baker, then riley. It always seems three of them never emerge at the same time. Beckwith playing de last year and melvin jones is now a fb. I just dont get it. Because if we didnt recruit these guys, they most likely are at another sec school. or at least sign with an sec school out of hs.
Now obviously idk the ins and outs of the recruiting but id think haley watches film on his position group and discusses it with chavis and miles and miles ultimately gives the nod for offering a scholly. Somewhere someone isnt doing a good enough job at evaluating and then getting these dts ready to play.
I think rasco is good, i honestly thought he would have been the perfect fit and mlb when he was coming out of hs. Which leads me to my next thing, wtf is wrong with our linebackers. We recruited heavy that position yet it continues to be a weak spot. We seem to alwasy have only one really good lb every year, this year is kwon, before minter, then sheppard, then baker, then riley. It always seems three of them never emerge at the same time. Beckwith playing de last year and melvin jones is now a fb. I just dont get it. Because if we didnt recruit these guys, they most likely are at another sec school. or at least sign with an sec school out of hs.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:43 pm to The Mick
I agree, Grimes deserves more time to get his guys in and implement his system. The playcalling has done us no favors. it's not like I'm elated with Grimes' performance thus far, but I know for a fact that vadal is lazy as shite. Porter is a kentucky transfer. Hawkins was raw, and Collins is getting the job done. It's obvious that we really miss Trai Turner's athleticism. we're really just not as athletic as we think we are on the oline
Meanwhile, our dline sucked last year and underachieved in 2012. It's a laugh riot that none of Bain, Herron, and Gilmore are ready.
Meanwhile, our dline sucked last year and underachieved in 2012. It's a laugh riot that none of Bain, Herron, and Gilmore are ready.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:45 pm to dgnx6
Some people say we've recruited speed instead of hole pluggers. I don't really know but I don't see any speed or quickness either, not yet anyway.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:48 pm to tigerbait2010
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Porter is a kentucky transfer.
Well he committed to LSU and we offered a grey shirt and he went to kentucky, didnt like it and came back to LSU. So we wanted him before he went to kentucky. Kentucky just pretty much paid for his first year of school while he would have had to pay his way his first semester at LSU.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:51 pm to dgnx6
Grimes' system really fits what we do with Brandon Harris. Shotgun type single back stuff, and Harris gives us the option to pass and it keeps the box from being stacked.
Even NMSU was pushing our shite in when we were running with Jennings. Harris came in with the pass and we started gashing them on the ground.
Even NMSU was pushing our shite in when we were running with Jennings. Harris came in with the pass and we started gashing them on the ground.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:54 pm to The Mick
Chavis always say we will never sacrifice speed for size. And you know what? i agreed with him. But i dont see that speed on the line. so now we have small and slow guys instead of small and fast. I like guys like debo jones, but he cant tackle a 250lb qb. Thats why it baffles me you dont see beckwith in there, he could solve a lot of problems. You still have your speed on the edge but actually have a big backer that can lay the wood and not bounce off of people.
I dont want to go bashing the coaches because they can still turn it around this season, but if we continue to see much of the same and no improvement, We need to revamp the d. Les cant keep his style of play with a soft defense. And i dont want to turn into a tamu or an oregon that can move the ball at ease but cant stop anyone from scoring, because you just wont win a championship that way.
I dont want to go bashing the coaches because they can still turn it around this season, but if we continue to see much of the same and no improvement, We need to revamp the d. Les cant keep his style of play with a soft defense. And i dont want to turn into a tamu or an oregon that can move the ball at ease but cant stop anyone from scoring, because you just wont win a championship that way.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:55 pm to tigerbait2010
Jury still out on Grimes, play calling, QB issues, etc...OL should do better as season progresses and now that we will be running more of a spread offense, it will give them a chance to open holes...
Haley is a good coach, but with the attrition of DL's leaving the program early last few years has hurt the quality and quantity of the DL...Hopefully, some recruits will see they have a chance to play early next year and will try their best to get here and help us win the NC...as we will have an offense that has a LOT of talent on it for the next three years...
Haley is a good coach, but with the attrition of DL's leaving the program early last few years has hurt the quality and quantity of the DL...Hopefully, some recruits will see they have a chance to play early next year and will try their best to get here and help us win the NC...as we will have an offense that has a LOT of talent on it for the next three years...
Posted on 9/30/14 at 5:58 pm to deuce985
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Hunter and Rasco are utter busts at this point...so yeah, they struck out on them.
WTF? You can't be serious. If it weren't for these two and Kwon would the front 7 have any pressure or tackles?
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:04 pm to deuce985
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Hunter reminds me of Vernon Gholston
Hunter was a 3* when committed eventually moved up to a 4*. I wouldnt call him a bust. He didnt have offers from all over like others on the line. hes a bust maybe in the eyes of people who see bulging veins and say oh he must be amazing. But he was never considered that coming out of hs. really it was just the rant drooling over pictures of him.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:05 pm to sunnydaze
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sunnydaze
You don't think our Dline has underperformed in the past few years?
Geeez, please explain
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:15 pm to theBru
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Haley is a good coach, but with the attrition of DL's leaving the program early last few years has hurt the quality and quantity of the D
ehh weve signed 22 dlinemen over the last 5 cycles. Only 3 of those went to the NFL as dlinemen. Ken Adams, ego feguson, and Anthony Johsnon.
So looking at that id say we have fricking failed.
There are 5 dlinemen alone in the 09 class that got drafted or at least made a team for a season or 2.
so 5 from one cycle to 3 out of the last 5. Now obviously some guys are not eligible yet, so that tells me we completely botched dline recruiting for 3 cycles.
Damnit Mick, now im seriously questioning what the hell Haley is doing.
This post was edited on 9/30/14 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:24 pm to The Mick
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Grimes sucks, but Cam has no part in OLine struggles. However Chavis sucks, not Haley for 3 straight years of shite DLine play?
Are you a duck? We lost Montgomery, Mingo, Downs, Logan, and Edwards all in one year. We were mediocre last year, and bad this year because of youth and very high rated guys not panning out. Next year we will be great at the DT spot. The DL has to heal thanks to a shite ton of early exits.
2012 DL was really good you moron.
Posted on 9/30/14 at 6:27 pm to The Mick
We were expected to have a really good OL this year, with returning 4/5 starter from last year and 1 of those is Lael.
We were expected to have issues up front on the DL with a lot of young players with little or no experience.
I do think our OL will be a lot better with Harris at QB. Hes actually a passing threat and teams will have to respect that and back out of the box, which will help open up the running lanes for us. Teams were just stacking the box with Jennings and looking for Dural on the go route. Thats all you had to do to with Jennings at QB.
We were expected to have issues up front on the DL with a lot of young players with little or no experience.
I do think our OL will be a lot better with Harris at QB. Hes actually a passing threat and teams will have to respect that and back out of the box, which will help open up the running lanes for us. Teams were just stacking the box with Jennings and looking for Dural on the go route. Thats all you had to do to with Jennings at QB.
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