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re: Great film breakdown of LSU’s 1st failed Redzone attempt
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:42 pm to Lgrnwd
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:42 pm to Lgrnwd
Here is the problem with the film studies like this and the day after QB. Specifically a play that has been called out a number of times.
the 3rd down play where JD missed Thomas.
Yes, it is easy to see thomas come wide open in slow motion and replayed multiple times.
But lets put yourself in JD's position in full speed. His 1st read is the slant. What happens to the slant if you are looking at it as a 1st read. It gets blown up initially bc Lacy does a bad job of being physical and gets knocked into Thomas. So JD is looking and sees Thomas getting run into and not slanting, he actually has to go backwards. In full speed with 3-5 seconds a QB sees that and has to move on. What if Thomas falls down and he is still staring at him?
So he moves on to next option. The review talks about not coming off, but he can't there is a blitz coming, unblocked. If thomas doesn't get off JD is sacked.
Did JD miss plays, absolutely. You could go through almost every QB in slow motion from multiple views and find errors.
On the next play, I wonder if Nabors had an option. If he didn't then yes JD needs to push the ball to a guy on the right. If option, Nabors went the wrong way. Outside leverage by coverage. If no option, JD should have seen that right away and know Nabors is out of the play. I don't know the routes.
the 3rd down play where JD missed Thomas.
Yes, it is easy to see thomas come wide open in slow motion and replayed multiple times.
But lets put yourself in JD's position in full speed. His 1st read is the slant. What happens to the slant if you are looking at it as a 1st read. It gets blown up initially bc Lacy does a bad job of being physical and gets knocked into Thomas. So JD is looking and sees Thomas getting run into and not slanting, he actually has to go backwards. In full speed with 3-5 seconds a QB sees that and has to move on. What if Thomas falls down and he is still staring at him?
So he moves on to next option. The review talks about not coming off, but he can't there is a blitz coming, unblocked. If thomas doesn't get off JD is sacked.
Did JD miss plays, absolutely. You could go through almost every QB in slow motion from multiple views and find errors.
On the next play, I wonder if Nabors had an option. If he didn't then yes JD needs to push the ball to a guy on the right. If option, Nabors went the wrong way. Outside leverage by coverage. If no option, JD should have seen that right away and know Nabors is out of the play. I don't know the routes.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 12:45 pm
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Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:42 pm to MicahTiger
You're right. On two of those plays, its hard to figure out what Lacy is doing.
JD did miss Brian on the slant and threw an ill- considered mass to Malik.
JD did miss Brian on the slant and threw an ill- considered mass to Malik.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:43 pm to MicahTiger
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3. The failed 4th down...guy said hit Lacy...do you all see the piss poor release that Lacy made???? Like look at that, and tell me if you would have thrown it to Lacy. He also doesn't account the Nickel sitting there waiting for the ball to come across his face.
The point was that he had to throw it even if no one was "open". The worst thing you can do on that play is take a sack like that.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:44 pm to MicahTiger
quote:That ball should have been thrown to thomas at the back of the endzone. He should have thrown it as soon as he was making his cut inside.
3. The failed 4th down...guy said hit Lacy...do you all see the piss poor release that Lacy made???? Like look at that, and tell me if you would have thrown it to Lacy. He also doesn't account the Nickel sitting there waiting for the ball to come across his face.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:45 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Bro. The first play of the game was designed to the running back. Doesn’t matter how open Nabers is when the read is to the RB and no one is on him.
Play was designed and executed to perfection, throwing to Nabers there would be idiotic lmao
Play was designed and executed to perfection, throwing to Nabers there would be idiotic lmao
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:48 pm to geauxtigers33
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If he’s as bad as you you say he is you wouldn’t have to say things like this.
He’s not terrible, which is sort of the whole issue. Just good enough to keep the coaches committed, but not good enough to get LSU to the playoffs…
I wish he was worse tbh.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:48 pm to SulphursFinest
exactly play was designed for RB. And JD was probably using his vision to throw off defense. Not really looking anywhere but already told where to throw. Like a QB looking left, when he knows he is going right. Trying to not stare down receivers. It was obviously the right move, easy pass and big yards.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:50 pm to Lgrnwd
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Cliff notes: Denbrock’s play calling was NOT why they failed to score there.
No shite. Anyone with an iota of coaching experience knows this. The coaches on the rant think otherwise.
We were moving the ball at will on a great defense when the players executed.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:53 pm to SulphursFinest
quote:I disagree. The wheel route to the RB is just one option not THE option. Daniels should have let it fly to either WR as they have nothing but space behind them. Nabers would have required a solid throw in stride, but the throw to Thomas up the seam to Thomas's inside shoulder would have been an easy completion had he thrown it.
Bro. The first play of the game was designed to the running back. Doesn’t matter how open Nabers is when the read is to the RB and no one is on him.
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quote:Plays like that don't belong at this level of college football.
Not really looking anywhere but already told where to throw
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:56 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
You’re flat out wrong. It was designed for the running back. The design was to roll out right and take the LBs with him then hit the RB to the left. You honestly couldn’t pick a worse example to argue
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:58 pm to Lgrnwd
Everything we see in the red zone offense is a result of lazy coaching. The play calling was not imaginative after it was established that we were not controlling the los, but the lack of detail in the coaching of how to run plays and how and why they work just isn't there, by all position coaches. I think BK recognized this and why he said we were not the team we thought we were. He trusted his position coaches to teach how/why plays work and they obviously didn't....at every position.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:06 pm to Lgrnwd
This is ridiculous.
People blame Daniels for not going through his progressions, but when he does they blame him for not waiting long enough to see if the receiver gets open.
On the play where Lacey was “picking” for Thomas, it was poor execution. Thomas eventually got open but Daniels didn’t know that.
On the fourth down play none of our receivers got open. The common theme in both plays is the FSU DBs beating our WRs man to man.
Now Daniels should have thrown the ball on fourth down, but reality is no one was open.
People blame Daniels for not going through his progressions, but when he does they blame him for not waiting long enough to see if the receiver gets open.
On the play where Lacey was “picking” for Thomas, it was poor execution. Thomas eventually got open but Daniels didn’t know that.
On the fourth down play none of our receivers got open. The common theme in both plays is the FSU DBs beating our WRs man to man.
Now Daniels should have thrown the ball on fourth down, but reality is no one was open.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:08 pm to Dizz
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The point was that he had to throw it even if no one was "open". The worst thing you can do on that play is take a sack like that.
An int could be worse than a sack, but yes Daniels should have created something there or at least tried to.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:18 pm to deuce985
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He can't top a defense off so the defense plays underneath and they take everything away including the run because it's easier to stack the box.
We ran comeback routes so much the corners were sitting on routes in the 2nd half. What ended up costing us the INT even more than Nabers tripping. That ball was likely picked either way.
ETA: This video is an excellent breakdown of how bad our offense is with Denbrock and JD running it.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:20 pm to SulphursFinest
quote:Alright, I'll take the L. It was the first play in the game and designed to give Daniels an easy throw to get in rhythm. Just bugs me to see Daniels staring at receivers that are so open and not taking the shot. People relate it to the QB looking off the safety, but if the QB goes to look off the safety and he isn't there, then that's where the play should go.
You’re flat out wrong. It was designed for the running back. The design was to roll out right and take the LBs with him then hit the RB to the left. You honestly couldn’t pick a worse example to argue
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:28 pm to geauxtigers33
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If he’s as bad as you you say he is you wouldn’t have to say things like this.
I don't see how it's still a debate. Daniels has had about 5 good games vs real competition since he's been here. (2022 vs FSU, UF, Ole Miss, Alabama, and Purdue).
Meanwhile Nuss has had 3 (2021 vs OM, 2022 vs UGA, Purdue) despite really only playing in 4 games vs real competition (1 bad outing in 2021 vs Arky).
The younger, inexperienced player with more room to grow has a better hit rate than the more developed starter
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:42 pm to Yeti_Chaser
What the frick, you are giving Nuss credit for mop up time against Ole Miss where he only went 7-12, and not giving JD credit for his effort against UGA before the ankle where he was 16-24 for 208 1TD and 1 fluky pick that hit off Bech's helmet.
That is some insane cherry picking
That is some insane cherry picking
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:47 pm to tiggerthetooth
The same guy who's opinion you trust on Daniels mentioned pretty much all these positions playing badly independent of what Daniels did or didn't do. So was he right about that or only about Daniels?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:49 pm to The Baker
Kind of like Mahomes last night eh
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