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GIF of UK goaltending
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:44 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:44 am
Two UK players make contact with the backboard and rim at almost the exact same time the ball hit the backboard. Notice the ball appears to be partially inside the cylinder as the contact is made as well.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:45 am to RidiculousHype
What a sweet sweet victory that was
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:45 am to RidiculousHype
You can't shake (hit) the backboard or cylinder when the ball is on the glass or in the cylinder.
Beating a dead horse at this point. UK has nothing to complain about.
Beating a dead horse at this point. UK has nothing to complain about.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:46 am to RidiculousHype
Yep, I said that last night. You can’t have your hand inside or on the rim while any part of the ball is within the cylinder. It’s automatic goal tending.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:47 am to RidiculousHype
The camera from on top of the scoreboard is the best. The whole thing shakes before the ball gets to the backboard/rim
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:48 am to ell_13
That is correct. I don't feel like quoting the rule book but I've read it. Not one but two Kentucky players make contact with the backboard and the rim causing it to vibrate while the ball was in or within the backboard or in or within the cylinder.
Cylinder is defined as an imaginary cylinder that extends upwards from the rim with the rim as it's lower base. If unsure about the vibration just watch the light reflection off the glass on the backboard. And yes, also by rule, bigby-williams committed basket interference. But that's moot because of the goaltending that occurred right before it. Both were missed calls but understandable at full game speed in transition.
Cylinder is defined as an imaginary cylinder that extends upwards from the rim with the rim as it's lower base. If unsure about the vibration just watch the light reflection off the glass on the backboard. And yes, also by rule, bigby-williams committed basket interference. But that's moot because of the goaltending that occurred right before it. Both were missed calls but understandable at full game speed in transition.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 8:50 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:48 am to TigerBait2008
I had not seen it in gif format yet. Thought it might be useful to some.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:50 am to nola000
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I don't feel like quoting the roll book
quote:and here's where all of UK's crying loses any merit
goaltending is the violation of interfering with the ball while it is on its way to the basket and it is (a) in a downward flight, (b) entirely above the rim and has the possibility of entering the basket , and (c) not touching the rim.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:51 am to mylsuhat
Interesting. Where did you get that rule from? Are you sure that's out of the NCAA rulebook? What I kept reading was completely different.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:53 am to RidiculousHype
The gif looks like the goal moves as it is hit, which is right before the ball hits the backboard. It's hard to tell for sure, but it certainly could have affected the shot.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 8:59 am to RidiculousHype
The guy with his hand through the basket is not goaltending. The only questionable action there is the slap of the backboard, and that's a tough judgment call, but certainly can be called goaltending. The refs did the right thing by swallowing the whistle there.
It really shouldn't have even come down to that. UK was hand checking all night with no foul calls. On UK's last possession the refs call a ticky tack hand check to put UK at the line to tie the game. And that was after they swallowed the whistle on an over the back that allowed UK to get an offensive rebound.
Here's the rule straight from the rule book if anyone is interested:
Subpart 5 is what would have had to have been called here, and it seems that is often a judgment call that turns on whether the contact affected the shot.
It really shouldn't have even come down to that. UK was hand checking all night with no foul calls. On UK's last possession the refs call a ticky tack hand check to put UK at the line to tie the game. And that was after they swallowed the whistle on an over the back that allowed UK to get an offensive rebound.
Here's the rule straight from the rule book if anyone is interested:
quote:
Art. 2. Basket interference
a. Basket interference occurs when a player:
1. Touches the ball or any part of the basket while the ball is on or within the basket;
2. Touches the ball while any part of it is within the cylinder that has the ring as its lower base;
3. Reaches through the basket from below and touches the ball before it enters the cylinder;
4. Pulls down a movable ring so that it contacts the ball before the ring returns to its original position, and
5. Causes the basket or backboard to vibrate when the ball is on or within the basket or the backboard and/or is on or in the cylinder.
b. The cylinder is the imaginary geometric figure that has the ring as its base and is formed by the upward extension of that ring.
c. The ball shall be considered to be within the basket when any part of the ball is below the cylinder and the level of the ring.
d. A player may have a hand legally in contact with the ball, when this contact continues after the ball enters the cylinder or when, during such action, the player touches or grabs the basket.
Subpart 5 is what would have had to have been called here, and it seems that is often a judgment call that turns on whether the contact affected the shot.
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:03 am to RidiculousHype
Seemingly everyone is a 'cylinder' expert since about 8pm last night. Prior to last night I'd never even heard the term. Granted I dont watch a ton of basketball.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:08 am to UpToPar
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And that was after they swallowed the whistle on an over the back that allowed UK to get an offensive rebound.
I especially like the one when Naz was thrown to the ground.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:18 am to nola000
Great observation re reflection! Had not noticed before; leaves no doubt in relation rule.
And by the way, I thought UK paid their refs better to allow a cal(s) like that slip through in "their House!"
Had to be a bit nasty!
Great win!!
Posted on 2/13/19 at 9:52 am to RidiculousHype
Definitely basket interference, the goal is still shaking when KBW makes his tip in.
The rule applies not based on when the goal starts shaking, but if it’s shaking when the ball makes contact with the backboard and/or rim which it definitely is.
We should have been given the basket and KY would have the ball with about .7 seconds left.
The rule applies not based on when the goal starts shaking, but if it’s shaking when the ball makes contact with the backboard and/or rim which it definitely is.
We should have been given the basket and KY would have the ball with about .7 seconds left.
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