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re: Garrett Nussmeier 2024 in perspective
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:26 pm to BayouBaw84
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:26 pm to BayouBaw84
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Thats the first thing I thought of when he threw that pick. Was very similar to JDs on Sunday night football.
But you won’t hear Broski or Lester EVER post that bc it doesn’t fit their narrative.
That’s a fact
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Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:34 pm to Tiger1988
I would never compare Nussmeier to Daniels. That is one thing you are right about
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:34 pm to Tiger1988
He is impulsive. Throws stupid interceptions that lead to losses.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:35 pm to Tiger1988
He’s a much better QB ending 2024 than he was entering.
He should have an elite year next year.
He should have an elite year next year.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 6:37 pm to moneyg
We'll see.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 8:37 pm to Lester Earl
quote:. So Jayden tossed the same pick as Nuss on SNF and you can’t admit that sometimes the defensive call can fool even the best QB.
I would never compare Nussmeier to Daniels. That is one thing you are right about
You are such a tool.
Go do some homework on the WR from 2006, 2013, 2019, 2023 and 2024.
I figure you probably like Russell and Mett to some extent and Jayden. Specifically look at Comp Percentage of the first 2. Then look at 2018 and 2022 (sack and not throw in coverage Daniels), it is all there to say that Nuss had a better season than Russell, Mett with FAR FAR less WR talent and RB aka ZERO run game.
Can you freaking admit that he didn’t have remotely close to the WRs that Joe and Jayden had? You’re talking about 4 of the top 8 receivers in the NFL.
I don’t understand why you hate him and think less of a FIRST TIME STARTER.
Jayden started 5 fricking years and was gun shy until game 3 of 2023 because of 2021.
Nuss is on his THIRD OC AT LSU.
Damn man.
Posted on 1/1/25 at 8:42 pm to Tiger1988
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So Jayden tossed the same pick as Nuss on SNF and you can’t admit that sometimes the defensive call can fool even the best QB.
Hundreds of thousands on INTs have been thrown in football games. So what
Nussmeier isn’t Tom Brady because I’m sure Tom Brady has thrown bad ints before too
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I don’t understand why you hate him and think less of a FIRST TIME STARTER.
I dont hate him. This is crazy talk. It’s ok to admit he was wildly inconsistent this season and still hold out belief that he can turn into a decent QB
But of course you left no room for this when yall argued to death in September he was QB1 in the SEC & a Heisman contender. Are you mad cause I was right or is it just the way I’m saying it?
Posted on 1/1/25 at 8:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Lacy led the SEC in TD catches
was 6th in yds
2nd in 1st Down catches
Lacy was a good WR (Aaron Anderosn was too) they just aren't what we've had in the recent past. Not 1st/2nd round type NFL guys. Not a knock on them, just the reality, they had holes in their games this season. We've just had elite guys in the past and didnt this season at WR is the reality there.
I'm sure you were quite upset with Nuss' great performance in the bowl game. Just graded out at 83.5 on the season per PFF, a cool 10 points higher than anyone else on the entire offense. Had his 7th 300 yard passing game and 5th game with 3+ passing TDs. this season. Dude had a really good 1st year starting. With the targets we've added in the portal and bringing back Aaron, Chris, Zavion and Trey'Dez...he is setup to have a huge 2025*
* assuming our OL can block
This post was edited on 1/1/25 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:09 pm to Lester Earl
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Hundreds of thousands on INTs have been thrown in football games. So what
It happened this week and Jayden was fooled - that’s what. It was a simple comparison. From a game this week by a player who will be the Offensive ROTY ie first time starter after 16 games in the NFL.
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It’s ok to admit he was wildly inconsistent this seaso
Do you think having Nabers, Thomas Jr, Chase, Jefferson and Marshall make a difference on consistency? I mean Lacy dropped passes on in his hands versus UF. You saw what people were saying what was happening when Hilton was playing in fall camp. Timing matters and you of all people know that.
BTW 65% isn’t “wildly inconsistent” why I said go look at Russell with Bowe, Douglas (2 first rounders) and Doucet a second rounder. Considering he lost Delli and Daniels in the first half of TAMU it was a blow on the underneath routes - why Daniels didn’t have a TD because of all those passes in the 10 yard range. The problem was Daniels isn’t an explosive runner like a Chase or Jefferson or Nabers or Douglas or Reed.
Then Bama game was a bad game overall - the teams worst by far. Then there was UF with 3 freshmen/RS Freshmen starting in the middle of the Oline. Those 7 sacks were from having UF Dlinemen in his lap the whole freaking game and no scheming could help (nor was there much).
When you can’t run the football or stretch the field due to a lack of talent, it is what we saw all season. It is that simple.
4100 yards passing is number 2 all time without a receiver that will be a first day pick…
Posted on 1/1/25 at 10:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
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I would never compare Nussmeier to Daniels.
Respect your opinion but your comments seem more defending Daniels and criticizing Nussmeier when both or neither won championships for LSU
Daniels had a great 2 season career for LSU and Daniels won the Heisman his 2nd season at LSU and his Heisman was won during his 5th season as a starting college QB
Nussmeier's first starting season was this season as a starting QB. Lets be happy for both
I don't get the comparisons of player different seasons with different Wr's and different Offensive line's
NO NEED TO COMPARE
Posted on 1/1/25 at 11:30 pm to Tigersgulfcoast
Watching that in real time, my jaw dropped as the ball was in the air and they showed Hilton gain 4-5 yards in a blink of an eye.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 1:57 am to PrayingMantis
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3rd best QB season in LSU history. It’s wild how quickly people have become spoiled after the 2008-17 era. He didn’t have the line or receivers Burrow had and no one has JDs legs.
You think it was better than Russell in ‘06? He was more efficient and played in a prehistoric 2006 Les Miles offense.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:27 am to sauceoaks21
You think it was better than Russell in ‘06? He was more efficient and played in a prehistoric 2006 Les Miles offense.
Russel had a 67 comp % with 2 first round and a second round WR (one is in the Chiefs HOF) PLUS a damn good run game. That was by far the most talented team in LSU history when looking at both sides of the ball.
(I know 2019 offense was better but defense wasn’t as good).
That was not the 2015 Les Miles offense dummy. They had Jimbo in 2005 and Crowton in 2006. They were much more balanced and did toss the ball.
Russell had a cannon arm and a pea brain.
Russel had a 67 comp % with 2 first round and a second round WR (one is in the Chiefs HOF) PLUS a damn good run game. That was by far the most talented team in LSU history when looking at both sides of the ball.
(I know 2019 offense was better but defense wasn’t as good).
That was not the 2015 Les Miles offense dummy. They had Jimbo in 2005 and Crowton in 2006. They were much more balanced and did toss the ball.
Russell had a cannon arm and a pea brain.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 1/2/25 at 5:56 am to White Tiger
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He is impulsive. Throws stupid interceptions that lead to losses.
it was a very good play by the defender and the DC. He faked crashing down on the snap and that was the hot read for Nuss. The pass was made almost at the same time as the defender quickly backed out of crashing and dropped back in coverage. I saw it one other time this year, I think it was Florida. It also happened to JD the other night, and he has been starting for 6 years.
The people that don't like Nuss, and try and grade him compared to the finished product of JD and JB...instead of their first year starting at LSU, where after, both were projected late round drafts, mostly 5 through 7th round....will never change their mind.
Nuss has not had NEAR the receivers that either of those guys had, which has made it much more difficult in the passing game. If you remember JD in year 1, he literally would not throw the ball downfield unless the WR was wide open....which they were a lot and still didn't get the ball. This year there was hardly no separation down the field. I think one of the throws to Hilton was the most separation they had all year. LSU missed Parker and Hilton this year, as the others were not deep threats.
LSU has a brutal SEC schedule plus Clemson this year, just in September alone. If they can navigate that with only 1 loss, they should be fine. Hoping they navigate it with no losses, but I'm realistic. I expect Nuss to have a HUGE year, and be in NY in December later this year. If our interior OL improves, watch out.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:14 am to thunderbird1100
He was really good in the bowl game & even the last game vs OKLA. His “good” is tantalizingly good. But it’s like it hypnotizes people to where they cannot see how wildly inconsistent he was.
Having huge counting stats due to a large amount of pass attempts & garbage yards doesn’t help either. You all think it’s a bow on top & most of it was empty & meaningless within the flow of the majority of games.
Not having first round WRs I’m sure hurt at times but it was also glaring he could not connect on open deep balls through most of the season. It is surely not all on the WRs.
Having huge counting stats due to a large amount of pass attempts & garbage yards doesn’t help either. You all think it’s a bow on top & most of it was empty & meaningless within the flow of the majority of games.
Not having first round WRs I’m sure hurt at times but it was also glaring he could not connect on open deep balls through most of the season. It is surely not all on the WRs.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:30 am to Lester Earl
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I dont hate him. This is crazy talk. It’s ok to admit he was wildly inconsistent this season and still hold out belief that he can turn into a decent QB
This hurts your credibility Lester. If he improves he'll become a decent QB? So that means you think he's a below average QB right now.
Matt Flynn's championship season: 21/11 TD/INT; 56.3%; 6.7 ypa
Matt Mauck' championship season: 28/14; 64%; 7.9 ypa
Jamarcus Russell was the #1 pick after his final season. Interception percentage 2.3%. Same as Nuss this season. Using pass attempts as a metric which you seem to like.
Outside of JD, the one thing all previous QBs had which Nuss didn't was an above average run game. THat's why I have said JD's 2023 season was probably more impressive than Burrow in 2019. CEH in 2019 had 1414 yards rushing, 6.6 ypc and 16 TDs and was the reason we beat Bama.
Get the run game from dead last in the SEC to somewhere in the middle, show defensive improvement and this team can have a solid run next season with Nuss. We blew it with JD by fielding a horrific defense. We can't do that again.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:36 am to White Tiger
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Too many picks. Way.Too.Many.
Obviously not as many as "white tiger" though.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:51 am to Lester Earl
This is crazy. Nuss missed open WR's downfield all season long. This was an ongoing problem.
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He had some misses, but not the way you make it sound.. The receivers had their issues, too. And some questionable play calling at times. You consistently comment like Nuss is not good. I don't think you give him enough credit. He also makes NFL throws than many qbs can't pull off. I feel good about him coming back. Our offense was good this year, and will be better next year as long as the Oline is decent.
How many years during the Miles era were we just hoping to get above 200 yards passing in games? I expected 300+ every game Nuss has and will play.
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He had some misses, but not the way you make it sound.. The receivers had their issues, too. And some questionable play calling at times. You consistently comment like Nuss is not good. I don't think you give him enough credit. He also makes NFL throws than many qbs can't pull off. I feel good about him coming back. Our offense was good this year, and will be better next year as long as the Oline is decent.
How many years during the Miles era were we just hoping to get above 200 yards passing in games? I expected 300+ every game Nuss has and will play.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:00 am to Lester Earl
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He was really good in the bowl game & even the last game vs OKLA. His “good” is tantalizingly good. But it’s like it hypnotizes people to where they cannot see how wildly inconsistent he was.
It's almsot like 1st year starters can be hot and cold some. I mean it's literally the same thing we saw with Burrow his first year here and Daniels his first year here. But both those guys also showed great potential and had huge 2nd seasons. Nuss had better 1st years than both those guys did here though, which is awesome to see. It doesnt mean he will win the heisman next year but hes off to a better start than either of those 2 were here as well.
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Having huge counting stats due to a large amount of pass attempts & garbage yards doesn’t help either. You all think it’s a bow on top & most of it was empty & meaningless within the flow of the majority of games.
Going to take a wild guess you're just whining here and dont have any actual information to back up him having a bunch of "garbage yards" this season. The only game we got truly blown out in was Bama and he only had 237 yards that game, not exactly many "garbage yards" there. The only other game we lost by a decent margin was A&M but it was a close game until the mid 4th quarter so dont know how you can count much of those 400 yards as "garbage yards".
We threw the ball a lot this year because the run game was mostly non existent this season. We were 12th/16 in the SEC in yards per carry and 16th/16 in rush yards per game. I mean thats pretty obvious. Nuss could have been a helluva lot worse than completing 64% of his passes for 4k yards with 29 TD. He had his mid-season struggles but threw just 1 interception in the last 4 games of the season (all against power conference teams) and it was simply a perfectly drawn up defensive play on a guy he never saw in the bowl game (in an otherwise elite game from him).
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Not having first round WRs I’m sure hurt at times but it was also glaring he could not connect on open deep balls through most of the season. It is surely not all on the WRs.
Our best deep threat was missing almost all season and even when he came back against A&M was extremely rusty. They finally started clicking in the last 2 games of the season there. We simply didnt have great deep/vertical threats on this team. It's not Lacy (horrible 50/50 ball guy), Anderson (more slot shifty guy than burner vertically) nor Daniels (more possession oriented guy who was hurt all season as well). Nuss definitely wasnt good on his deep balls but it really helps when you have a guy you can rely on there and never had that really until Hilton and him started to click and click they did the last couple games, he effectively threw 4 bomb TDs to him in the final 2 games (1 just short). I think the deep ball looks a little different if Hilton was healthy all season as thats really his niche and he's damn good at it (dude can get OPEN on vertical routes).
Where Nuss struggled the most is the 10-19 yard intermediate throws. It wasnt actually the deep 20+ yard passes (he was pretty mid-pack in the SEC there, but towards the back in intermediate throws). Thats where I'd look for him to improve going into next season. The deep balls came alive once Chris Hilton got healthy and not playing like a dumb dumb.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:29 am to thunderbird1100
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It's almsot like 1st year starters can be hot and cold some. I mean it's literally the same thing we saw with Burrow his first year here and Daniels his first year here.
Yep. We all remember Burrow's great throw to win the 2018 Auburn game, but forget he was 15/34 (44%) that game. He had the big run as part of the win over UGA in 2018, but was 15-30 for 200 yds that game.
Daniels didn't have a bad 2022, but vs Auburn went 8/20 for 80 yds. Defensive takeaways prevented us from losing to a very bad Auburn team. 8/15 86yds 1 INT vs Ark. Perk saves the day by playing superman.
Nuss had some incredibly bad moments this season. He also played extremely well at times. Kind of what you expect of 1st time starters.
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