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re: Gameplan against zone defense
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:11 am to LSUButt
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:11 am to LSUButt
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LSU played against zone all season long. I would say at least half the games this season some type of zone was played against LSU
Yea. We've seen it before. Our problem has been that for some reason we fall in love with jacking up 3's many of which are not open and we aren't good at anyway.
We don't need to shoot over the zone. We have a superior ball handler (Waters) and a great slasher (Smart) that can break a zone off the dribble. Then our bigs can crash the glass to clean up like they have been doing all year.
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Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:16 am to chuckie3325
Flash Nas, Emmitt or Days to the foul line, or drive into the teeth of it and dish (what we finally started doing vs the terps)
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:33 am to GeauxSox24
I would use Mays in the middle.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:40 am to GeauxSox24
The best way to beat zone defense is to beat them back in transition and don't allow them to set up.
If you don't beat them back then you beat the zone by attacking the gaps. Waters can do this but it requires the two other guards to find the gaps on the wings with the big forward down low and the smaller forward up high on the key.
When Waters drives to a gap usually set up by a high screen the strong side guard needs to flow to space usually base line and be ready for a catch and shoot 3 or catch and drive to basket or catch and drive dish along the base line. But it's only effective if other teammates are active and flowing simultaneously to open space. The other teammates have got to work hard to space when a guard penetrates. No brains farts. When in doubt (and you are without the ball) flow to space. It's a beautiful thing when teams get in sync to defeat the zone.
If you don't beat them back then you beat the zone by attacking the gaps. Waters can do this but it requires the two other guards to find the gaps on the wings with the big forward down low and the smaller forward up high on the key.
When Waters drives to a gap usually set up by a high screen the strong side guard needs to flow to space usually base line and be ready for a catch and shoot 3 or catch and drive to basket or catch and drive dish along the base line. But it's only effective if other teammates are active and flowing simultaneously to open space. The other teammates have got to work hard to space when a guard penetrates. No brains farts. When in doubt (and you are without the ball) flow to space. It's a beautiful thing when teams get in sync to defeat the zone.
This post was edited on 3/26/19 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:43 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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So your plan is to put a point guard at the free throw line to beat the zone?
Yes, it is one of the most effective ways to attack a zone. Whether it be Smart or Mays, having a playmaker at the high post would allow Days to get time on the wing and Reid or KBW to take advantage of their size down low.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:45 am to GeauxSox24
Down low to Naz and Bigby?
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:45 am to GeauxSox24
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So your plan is to put a point guard at the free throw line to beat the zone?
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Yes, it is one of the most effective ways to attack a zone.
You mean drive to the free throw line, right? Because Waters or Smart won't be able to receive the ball at the free throw line versus a zone.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 9:50 am to GeauxSox24
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:05 am to GumboPot
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You mean drive to the free throw line, right? Because Waters or Smart won't be able to receive the ball at the free throw line versus a zone.
Lol High Post much. That's the number one thing you should try to do to attack a zone. Get it to the HP and go from there.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:09 am to GumboPot
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You mean drive to the free throw line, right? Because Waters or Smart won't be able to receive the ball at the free throw line versus a zone.
Penetrating the gaps is the best way to attack a zone but that is easier said than done. There are creative ways to have ball handlers flash to the high post that would allow them to attack the basket to draw a foul, kick it to the wing for a 3 or a touch pass to the short corner. Regardless, we have struggled all year against zone defense because of our poor shooting so putting Tremont on the wing could be effective as his catch and shoot numbers are much better than off the dribble.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:12 am to GumboPot
While LSU has not played well against the zone all year, I think Maryland presented some problems that caused (for a time) some hesitancy in attack the zone...namely two 6'10 guys inside.
With Reid and KBW, LSU generally has a height/length advantage over most teams. Maryland equalized that advantage and blocked some shots that LSU's guys aren't accustomed to being blocked. Rim protectors always cause some hesitancy.
Now, MSU is one of the best shot blocking teams in the nation. But other than maybe Ward, they don't have any significant contributors above 6'9. IMO, this will be a frontcourt battle more akin to Kentucky than Maryland. A lot of size and strength, but not overwhelming length. (LSU only had one shot blocked vs. UK and they held their own in the points in the paint battle 34-30 in favor of UK)
With Reid and KBW, LSU generally has a height/length advantage over most teams. Maryland equalized that advantage and blocked some shots that LSU's guys aren't accustomed to being blocked. Rim protectors always cause some hesitancy.
Now, MSU is one of the best shot blocking teams in the nation. But other than maybe Ward, they don't have any significant contributors above 6'9. IMO, this will be a frontcourt battle more akin to Kentucky than Maryland. A lot of size and strength, but not overwhelming length. (LSU only had one shot blocked vs. UK and they held their own in the points in the paint battle 34-30 in favor of UK)
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:13 am to redfishfan
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That's the number one thing you should try to do to attack a zone. Get it to the HP and go from there
Yep, but there is a reason you usually do it with a post man. Think Smart will be successful catching the ball in the high post and have 3 big men staring him down?
It may work once or twice, but over the course of a game, it's a terrible idea. However, it's a moot point anyway, because we probably don't see the zone enough for it to matter.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:15 am to LSUButt
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People are freaking out WAY too much about a zone defense.
I am aware they faced zone defenses multiple times this year. It is something that has given us issues so wanted to present an alternate way to beat it because we have mostly used Naz in the high post because of his passing abilities for somebody his size
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:18 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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However, it's a moot point anyway, because we probably don't see the zone enough for it to matter.
I agree. It is a very good sign for us if they switch to zone as that means they can’t guard man to man. I didn’t mean every possession to put a guard at the HP but it could be effective every once in a while
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:23 am to GeauxSox24
You put Naz at the free throw line, PG at the top, you stack on one side with one guy at the wing and one in the corner so preferably Taylor in the corner and Mays at the wing. When Taylor cuts to draw the wing defender Mays replaces him in the corner for an open three. Then you have Days in then opposite corner to stretch the floor which leaves a driving lane.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:26 am to GeauxSox24
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Penetrating the gaps is the best way to attack a zone but that is easier said than done. There are creative ways to have ball handlers flash to the high post that would allow them to attack the basket to draw a foul, kick it to the wing for a 3 or a touch pass to the short corner. Regardless, we have struggled all year against zone defense because of our poor shooting so putting Tremont on the wing could be effective as his catch and shoot numbers are much better than off the dribble.
Just run the Hi-Lo play they are taught in AAU and they will be able to break the zone. It's basically attacking the the gaps off of screens and it works against man to man too. It fails when the other team can cut off passing lanes. That's why it is extremely important for the other players to move to space when the guard attacks the gaps. You defeat it by defending the passing lanes but it takes a lot of discipline and communication.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 10:49 am to GeauxSox24
Why is it a good sign I’d they switch to zone? We saw what happened last game when they switched to zone. We got shut down.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:22 am to LSUButt
Found this interesting.. lol
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:25 am to LSUButt
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People are freaking out WAY too much about a zone defense. It really shows that most people are just watching March Madness, which is fine. LSU played against zone all season long. I would say at least half the games this season some type of zone was played against LSU
yes and they struggled with a zone D that was active.
i.e. Florida.
ball movement dies sometimes w Naz when he chooses to put it on the floor.
Also, other teams are figuring out that he brings the ball to THEIR level a lot of times.
Posted on 3/26/19 at 11:27 am to LSUButt
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People are freaking out WAY too much about a zone defense. It really shows that most people are just watching March Madness, which is fine. LSU played against zone all season long. I would say at least half the games this season some type of zone was played against LSU
And they rarely scored well against it. There is a reason why teams are going to a zone D against us.
My take is to put the two bigs on the low posts and let Waters or Smart penetrate the outer defenders. Then shoot the short J or dish to the bigs if their defenders close on the PG.
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