re: Fun Hypothetical: LSU wins it all by 2020. Does Les Miles get any credit?

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Yes- He should

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fired 4 years earlier...

wtf is wrong with you nut lickers of that stupid POS.

wait...LesSER man was fired in 2016, MID-SEASON.

in 20020 you want to give him credit for anything?



seriously, is your real name smacker?

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wait...LesSER man was fired in 2016, MID-SEASON.

in 20020 you want to give him credit for anything?

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No, I wouldn’t give him credit in this hypothetical. Just like it’s dumb to give Saban credit for 2007. Try to keep up. fricking dipshit

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1) Does Ed Orgeron get all the credit for righting the ship, promoting Ensminger, bringing in fresh talent, and hiring new coaches/analysts?

2) Does Les Miles get partial credit for originally hiring Aranda/Ensminger (not to mention Orgeron) and handing over a solid program with a great foundation of athletic talent?

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Hypothetically, are you assuming Orgeron will still be head coach?

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The program was in the final stages of a disasterous decline when O took over.

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Disastrous decline? C'mon man. The program had flatlined and wasn't moving forward. As such, it was time to move on. But this classification is a bit dramatic, to say the least. shite, in the season which almost (should have) got Les fired, we ended up 9-3 and would have been 10-3 without a rained out McNeese game. I'd hardly call that "disastrous". Not good enough based on the talent Les had stockpiled, but "disastrous" is quite a stretch.

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Disastrous decline? C'mon man. The program had flatlined and wasn't moving forward. As such, it was time to move on. But this classification is a bit dramatic, to say the least. shite, in the season which almost (should have) got Les fired, we ended up 9-3 and would have been 10-3 without a rained out McNeese game. I'd hardly call that "disastrous". Not good enough based on the talent Les had stockpiled, but "disastrous" is quite a stretch.

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it's semantics, but I'd argue that going 15-11 in the SEC (10-10 against the West) during Les' last 3+ years, for a team that should have aspirations of SEC championships and playoffs bid and with all the talent we've had, is pretty darn bad.

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O will win at least an SEC title by then, and the credit will all be his. Miles is probably the most overrated coach in history. Saban's players won his only title.

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By that logic, if Orgeron wins the West, SEC or National Championship next year, it will be because of Miles' players.

Eta: It would actually be this year or next year.

Ah I remember this quite well.

Postigers conflated this topic a lot because they wanted to try to criticize other fans that Saban may have gotten too much credit for what he didn’t deserve when LSU won in 2007.

It’s not so much the years that passes as it is how many players were actually recruited by which coach for the 2007 season and so forth.

Look at the roster and especially the starting 22 guys on the field. Who was recruited by which coaching staff. Don’t arbitrarily make judgements based on their recruiting year; actually tally the starting roster up and assign credit where it is due.

Most if not the majority of the credit needs to be given to the current staff. If let’s say, a large majority of players on the winning roster were recruited by the previous staff then you could make a good case for the previous staff plus the current staff getting just as much credit as the other staff.

Take Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson at Miami for example. Dennis Erickson took over a Porsche and added very little to the program. He inherited a gold mine that was already established. No logical person would say Dennis could have done what Jimmy did. Therefore, as we saw Jimmy Johnson and Howard Schnellenburger deserves most the credit for all national titles that Miami won.

To assert withwise is what I call the social justice warrior approach to solving these type of debates.

Example: “Why did Dennis get discredited so much while Jimmy got relatively more credit when he took over from Howard”. You know the answer to these questions.

Overall, It’s not a question of let’s throw a year out there and debate. That’s just a lazier way to analyze it. I told PhiTiger about this. You must look at the roster and decide who actually brought which players onto the roster.

Either way, the current staff gets a good portion of the credit. They did all the player conditioning and preparation. They did the game plan and it was under their watch. They were lifting up the trophy at seasons end.

So let’s through out the hypothetical scenario of 2020. I think the majority of credit needs to go to whoever signed the majority of the recruits that won with some credit going to the current staff.

Depends on who the head coach is in 2020.