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re: Frank Wickes Band Director Tree - Who is out there that could return the GBFTL to glory?
Posted on 6/23/24 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanLazenby
Posted on 6/23/24 at 4:13 pm to LSUFanLazenby
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Here is what really happened
Yeah, I’m aware of all that. I just think Eric will likely make the band department a much higher priority than it has been in recent years. I would be shocked if we don’t see some changes over the next few years.
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Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:20 pm to Joshjrn
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But people have to realize the point of the School of Music was to destroy the Frank Wickes lineage so they could control the band how they wanted so that was never going to happen. Plus Spurlin knows what's going on and is too smart to get involved in that.
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Would someone mind explaining this saga in detail to someone who has zero information about any of this?
The school of music did everything they could to demoralize Frank Wickes at the end of his career. They embarrassed him by forcing him to apologize to students for demanding excellence, they admonished Roy and Linda for organizing a retirement celebration for Frank Wickes, they stole the band's scholarships, they stole the proceeds from the band's Tigerama concert, etc, etc, etc. At one point, they forced Linda to "reapply" for her position - had her interview - then hired someone else (John LaCognata in 1993) - then were forced to rehire Linda when the new guy did not work out (in 1995). The school of music obtained funding for a renovation from the state legislature (which featured the construction of a new band facility), only to remove the band portion after it was approved. And the list goes on and on.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:30 pm to LSUFanLazenby
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The school of music did everything they could to demoralize Frank Wickes at the end of his career. They embarrassed him by forcing him to apologize to students for demanding excellence, they admonished Roy and Linda for organizing a retirement celebration for Frank Wickes, they stole the band's scholarships, they stole the proceeds from the band's Tigerama concert, etc, etc, etc. At one point, they forced Linda to "reapply" for her position - had her interview - then hired someone else (John LaCognata in 1993) - then were forced to rehire Linda when the new guy did not work out (in 1995). The school of music obtained funding for a renovation from the state legislature (which featured the construction of a new band facility), only to remove the band portion after it was approved. And the list goes on and on.
That's why I said in my previous post, that the first "Chore" in hiring a "Marching Band Nick Saban" will be to get Damon Talley the Frick out of LSU.
This has to happen first.
One Down. (Queen) One to Go. (Talley)
[/img] SEMJASE is the Middle Bass Drum in the photo.........
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 6/23/24 at 8:47 pm to GoldenGuy
quote:This is the SEC, not the SWAC and LSU is not a HBCU.
Poach Southern’s
I DO like playing a SWAC school in week one though, just to see the half-time show by the visiting SWAC band.
We've seen Southern and Grambling in Tiger Stadium, so it's time now for Florida A & M or Jackson State!
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:00 pm to Tiger1988
quote:Texas A & M is the only "Military Style" college marching band left.
I’d rather watch HBCUs than military style marching bands. Just my opinion.
LSU (And all the other SEC Bands) are "Corps Style" (Patterned after DCI Drum Corps) but due to limited practice time, none are as good as an actual Drum Corps.
HBCU bands are definitely more entertaining over the course of a 10-12 minute halftime show..........
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:13 pm to EST
quote:You'll have to by-pass Woodward and go directly to Tate.
Someone email the AD and LSU's Pres.
Scott Woodward has turned an LSU game into a Piped-In Music and DJ total shite show.
Tiger Band has been relegated to an in-game after thought.
Gotta get Damon Talley out of LSU before any serious talk about a new GBFTL Director can begin though!
That's the first step and without that happening, you're just "Urinating in the Wind" to put it nicely...........
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:18 pm to Pelican fan99
quote:That's what drunk rednecks do at half-time.
Half time is for grabbing another beer and heading to the bathroom.
This post was edited on 6/23/24 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:19 pm to Smalls
Linda was hot
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:26 pm to misey94
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I just think Eric will likely make the band department a much higher priority than it has been in recent years. I would be shocked if we don’t see some changes over the next few years.
Where did he come from? Was he promoted from within the School of Music? If so, if I were you, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:32 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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I agree wholeheartedly that Dr. Spurlin is who LSU should've hired, but he knows about Talley and his shenanigans, so he won't come anywhere near LSU. In the meantime, enjoy Auburn's band. They are what Tiger Band used to be.
I assume there are at least 100 ranters that have viewed this thread that were in TGBFTL while Corey was a grad assistant. It seemed an obvious choice (after Linda of course). Roy was fun. Kept traditions and all. We all love Roy. Just wasnt the right guy.
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:32 pm to semjase
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Tiger Band has been relegated to an in-game after thought
Do you think that was partly due to the band’s rapid decline?
Posted on 6/23/24 at 9:48 pm to Smalls
quote:NO. I think it's strictly due to Woodard allowing one or more idiots in the Athletic Department with no historical LSU/Louisiana background to make those totally asinine decisions. (Turning LSU football games into an NFL game)
Do you think that was partly due to the band’s rapid decline?
Woodward is the AD and is ultimately in charge of everything that happens in that Arena........
Posted on 6/24/24 at 10:56 am to LouisianaLonghorn
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After the way LSU treated her, she wouldn't come back if we begged her to.
What did LSU do to her?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 11:26 am to boxcarbarney
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What did LSU do to her?
See the earlier post from LSUFanLazenby. When Frank Wickes retired, Linda should’ve been his successor, but LSU refused to consider her. The SOM had been waiting to seize control of Tiger Band and when they did, there’s no way they were letting Linda hang around. She would’ve fought them at every turn.
This post was edited on 6/24/24 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/24/24 at 12:11 pm to Tiger1988
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What exactly does this mean?
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:04 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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When Frank Wickes retired, Linda should’ve been his successor, but LSU refused to consider her.
Well, it's a little more complicated than that.
After Wickes retired, the job of Director of Bands was changed immensely.
Frank Wickes had 100% control of wind bands at LSU, from the Wind Ensemble through Symphonic Winds and Symphonic Band to Tiger Band. Linda was not given that offer. She would only have been the director of the Symphonic Band and Tiger Band.
Now, there are some scholarships that are tied to Tiger Band. Frank was able to use those scholarships to recruit for the Wind Ensemble and to pay section leaders. IOW, having all of the Bands under his purview allowed him to be much more flexible with the scholarships.
Linda was not offered that, and while she was named "Director of Athletic Bands," she soon realized she wasn't going to be in charge of the Wind Ensemble. The limitations put on her job is why she left.
Roy King took the job, and he managed the Tiger Band scholarships as he could. One of the manifestations of that was to require certain Tiger Band scholarship recipients to play in the Symphonic Band that he also directed. In some cases, participants in Symphonic Band were receiving more money than was available to Wind Ensemble participants. In cases where the recipients were not music majors, they had no time to participate in all three ensembles. I know this because my nephew was in this situation: he was on Tiger Band scholarship and was good enough for Wind Ensemble, but his scholarship forced him to be in Symphonic Band instead.
The SOM didn't like that Roy King was in control of the money, so they set him up to violate some minor stipulation as a pretext to fire him. (Roy was a good guy, but likely overwhelmed as Tiger Band director.) That gave them a chance to rework how the scholarships were distributed.
Bottom Line: We can't get anyone to take Frank Wickes' job, because that job doesn't exist any more.
GEAUX TIGER
LSU Tuba 85-89
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:14 pm to LSUFanLazenby
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At one point, they forced Linda to "reapply" for her position - had her interview - then hired someone else (John LaCognata in 1993) - then were forced to rehire Linda when the new guy did not work out (in 1995).
I agree with a lot of what you’ve said. However, I’m a little uncertain on some of this. John LaCognata was an assistant in charge of the Tiger Band while Linda was getting her doctoral degree at University of Washington. 93 was my freshman year and we never heard anything except that she was coming back after she completed her degree. There was never any impression that he was anything more than a placeholder. She was back in 95 after she finished at UW.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:18 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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Where did he come from?
Re-read my post. He’s an LSU alum and was in Tiger Band and Wind Ensemble under Wickes. If anyone is going to change things, it will be someone who knows first hand how good the program was from the late 80s through the 2000s.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:20 pm to Cwils2222
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Roy was fun. Kept traditions and all. We all love Roy. Just wasnt the right guy.
The issue with Roy was how they went about forcing him out and replacing him. It was such a joke how that was handled.
Posted on 6/24/24 at 2:35 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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See the earlier post from LSUFanLazenby. When Frank Wickes retired, Linda should’ve been his successor, but LSU refused to consider her. The SOM had been waiting to seize control of Tiger Band and when they did, there’s no way they were letting Linda hang around. She would’ve fought them at every turn.
Everyone who spent time in TGBFTL in the 90s was so disappointed when this all went down. Such a stupid, petty and ridiculous mistake.
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