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re: Former Notre Dame Rivals writer still has sour grapes about coach Kelly on Jake Crain show
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:47 pm to WackyChris
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:47 pm to WackyChris
Fyi the fiesta bowl loss we had two lame duck coaches both del alexander wrs and Quinn (on staff at LSU) knew they were out. We had no rb coach as he took the oc job at Louisville. On defense Mike Elston was givin the chance to run the defense and play call as an audition for the DC job.
You saw how that went and he's gone.
From that game the only returning coaches are freeman, Rees, mickens. The entirety of the staff had to be purged of Kelly's old boy network.
Just wait. You already have the old boy network that was either fired by ND ad's or were underperforming.
Beware Quinn, Polian, Denbrock, and Kerry cooks.
They are all Kelly yes men.
I like Denbrock a lot and think he got a raw deal and Kelly threw him under the bus to save his job at ND.
Brian Polian absolutely sucks as a st coach. Fans jokingly called him coach fair catch. He does a lot of administrative work for Kelly so he keep him around. He's not great at recruiting...especially the south as a new Yorker he had very few friends at Notre Dame. I can't imagine he's a good fit at LSU.
Quinn was Kelly's oc at Cincy and had one good year. Kelly for some reason gave him the ol job when Harry Heistand left for the bears and he absolutely sucked. He hadn't coaches ol in years and took a Joe Moore line to a catching baby line last year. He's awful. ND fans swear he has blackmail photos of Kelly to stay on staff
Kerry Cooks is a solid secondary coach and a good recruiter, although he has similar negative recruiting stories as Ed ogeron had as being a very negative recruiter.
You saw how that went and he's gone.
From that game the only returning coaches are freeman, Rees, mickens. The entirety of the staff had to be purged of Kelly's old boy network.
Just wait. You already have the old boy network that was either fired by ND ad's or were underperforming.
Beware Quinn, Polian, Denbrock, and Kerry cooks.
They are all Kelly yes men.
I like Denbrock a lot and think he got a raw deal and Kelly threw him under the bus to save his job at ND.
Brian Polian absolutely sucks as a st coach. Fans jokingly called him coach fair catch. He does a lot of administrative work for Kelly so he keep him around. He's not great at recruiting...especially the south as a new Yorker he had very few friends at Notre Dame. I can't imagine he's a good fit at LSU.
Quinn was Kelly's oc at Cincy and had one good year. Kelly for some reason gave him the ol job when Harry Heistand left for the bears and he absolutely sucked. He hadn't coaches ol in years and took a Joe Moore line to a catching baby line last year. He's awful. ND fans swear he has blackmail photos of Kelly to stay on staff
Kerry Cooks is a solid secondary coach and a good recruiter, although he has similar negative recruiting stories as Ed ogeron had as being a very negative recruiter.
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Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:50 pm to geauxpurple
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He thinks ND had the talent to win the National Championship but couldn't get it done because Kelly couldn't get them up for big games. That is totally delusional.
The delusion is saying Kelly can't recruit at a high enough level to win a natty at LSU but ND had NC level talent and lost cuz Kelly didn't have them prepared...
So he can't recruit yet somehow had uber talented rosters that he couldn't coach up?
Make it make sense?!?!
Posted on 8/25/22 at 3:57 pm to Prominentwon
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This is no different than the hate LSU fans have for Nick Saban
Lsu fans are saying Saban actually sucks and cant win a national championship?
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:06 pm to Mirer
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He's not great at recruiting...especially the south as a new Yorker he had very few friends at Notre Dame. I can't imagine he's a good fit at LSU.
Ever heard of this guy?
Probably not & I don't give a shite but with Frank Wilson on board, the majority of Louisiana talent will stay home.
Louisiana talent>>>>>>>>>>that bullshite ND recruits.
How about you compare the number of NFL players ND has produced over the past 10 years in comparison to LSU? Get back with me on those.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:07 pm to WackyChris
None of this is bs.
It is what it is. I for one was ok with Kelly at ND, but his big game performances were soooo bad, and he never once took credit... He has a good act, but LSU doesn't have the same optics issues ND does in firing someone. I bet Kelly is gone in 4 years. He very well might get you to 1 or two losses, but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes 0 fer Alabama and possible Georgia. His next big win will be his first.
It is what it is. I for one was ok with Kelly at ND, but his big game performances were soooo bad, and he never once took credit... He has a good act, but LSU doesn't have the same optics issues ND does in firing someone. I bet Kelly is gone in 4 years. He very well might get you to 1 or two losses, but I wouldn't be shocked if he goes 0 fer Alabama and possible Georgia. His next big win will be his first.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:09 pm to Srobi14
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Lsu fans are saying Saban actually sucks and cant win a national championship?
Not only that, Saban didn't leave LSU for Bama. He went to the Dolphins & struggled. That's when Bama sent a rep to Miami to try to convince Saban to go there. The trick for the rep was to get to Terry Saban first. It worked. The rest is history.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:14 pm to Mirer
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I wouldn't be shocked if he goes 0 fer Alabama and possible Georgia.
Name all the great skill positions Kelly had at ND to go up against the great skill position players at UGA & Bama.
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His next big win will be his first.
He knocked off undefeated Clemson 47-40 at home in 2020.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:31 pm to Mirer
You have no clue what recruiting advantages LSU has over Notre Dame just on geography alone.
Kelly can literally walk to University High to talk to a 5-star. There are multiple football programs that produce elite talent within 15 minutes of LSU's campus. Baton Rouge has several high schools that churn out elite recruits and have been for decades. Just drive another hour and there are several more in New Orleans. There is nothing comparable in Indiana or Illinois.
LSU has used these areas along with greater Houston and New Orleans to win multiple national championships over the last 3 coaching regimes.
For Kelly to talk to an elite 5-star while at Notre Dame, he had to get on a plane almost every time.
There is no comparison to the talent available to both schools.
And as another poster brought up, Frank Wilson is the Godfather of in-state recruiting and has been for a long time. I can assure you that Kelly will consistently get better classes than anything he got at Notre Dame and he will continue the tradition of LSU getting the vast majority of who they want in Louisiana.
None of this is bs.
Kelly can literally walk to University High to talk to a 5-star. There are multiple football programs that produce elite talent within 15 minutes of LSU's campus. Baton Rouge has several high schools that churn out elite recruits and have been for decades. Just drive another hour and there are several more in New Orleans. There is nothing comparable in Indiana or Illinois.
LSU has used these areas along with greater Houston and New Orleans to win multiple national championships over the last 3 coaching regimes.
For Kelly to talk to an elite 5-star while at Notre Dame, he had to get on a plane almost every time.
There is no comparison to the talent available to both schools.
And as another poster brought up, Frank Wilson is the Godfather of in-state recruiting and has been for a long time. I can assure you that Kelly will consistently get better classes than anything he got at Notre Dame and he will continue the tradition of LSU getting the vast majority of who they want in Louisiana.
None of this is bs.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:45 pm to Mirer
You golden domers are at the height of delusion. You haven't won a championship since 1988. Your program was horrendous when Kelly got there after disastrous hires like Willingham and Weiss.
Kelly gets you to a NCG, 2 playoff appearances and your first bowl win in 20 years and becomes your all-time winningest coach.
Now he's trash and it's not Notre Dame that's the problem. You guys never think Notre Dame just might be the problem. Now you're irate that your all-time winningest coach left sacred Notre Dame for another college job for the first time in history. And what's worse is he left it for some hick SEC school. I get that it's a massive blow to your pride and to your psyche.
The meltdown will be a thing to behold if Kelly can pull off a NC at LSU.
Kelly gets you to a NCG, 2 playoff appearances and your first bowl win in 20 years and becomes your all-time winningest coach.
Now he's trash and it's not Notre Dame that's the problem. You guys never think Notre Dame just might be the problem. Now you're irate that your all-time winningest coach left sacred Notre Dame for another college job for the first time in history. And what's worse is he left it for some hick SEC school. I get that it's a massive blow to your pride and to your psyche.
The meltdown will be a thing to behold if Kelly can pull off a NC at LSU.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:10 pm to Mirer
That certainly explains all these hires in significant roles that he has no prior relationship with then.
ND fans really are clueless as to how terrible they’re coming across in these posts. “Kelly was horrible! Ignore the state of the program when he got there and all his wins! We’re a top program over the last decade and have been to a NCG and multiple CFPs but that’s not because of the head coach!”
ND fans really are clueless as to how terrible they’re coming across in these posts. “Kelly was horrible! Ignore the state of the program when he got there and all his wins! We’re a top program over the last decade and have been to a NCG and multiple CFPs but that’s not because of the head coach!”
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:11 pm to Mirer
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his big game performances were soooo bad,
Who TF was Notre Dame PLAYING in these "big games"? Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State?
You domers are so damn myopic. Notre Dame was at a significant talent disadvantage in nearly ALL of your "big games".
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:23 pm to Byrdybyrd05
We should save this and blast him when LSU has a better record than the Irish and more success in recruiting in the future.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:28 pm to BigBrod81
Lol. Glad you asked because this is the BIGGEST LIE Brian Kelly uses.
Nflers...
Chase claypool, miles boykin, Cole kmet, Dexter williams, were all on the 2018 squad... Had five star Brandon wimbush on bench because Kelly messes up qbs and a freshen 5 star on bench too a guy named Phil jurkovich that starts at BC... He played book because he prefers the guy that won't throw picks but can't throw with velocity and avoids the middle.
Oline was loaded. NFL picks Alex bars, Liam eichenburg, Aaron banks, Robert hainsey, Sam mustipher, tommy Kramer.
Te... Five stars Cole kmet, brock wright, alize mack, Tommy tremble
Defense had NFL players Julian love, Julian okwara, Khalid Kareem, daylin hayes, drew tranquil, a guy named Jeremiah owuso koromoa, troy pride, and Sean Crawford.
There was NO LACK OF TALENT.
Oh there is the fact though that for four years Kelly never put chase and miles on the field at the same time. Good coaching there...sarcasm
Played the noodle armed QB that could ever win the big game, but wouldn't lose the gummies.
Wouldn't let the QB through over the middle to STUD TIGHT ENDS
It was a good effort to troll, but that lie doesn't stand up. At all.
Nflers...
Chase claypool, miles boykin, Cole kmet, Dexter williams, were all on the 2018 squad... Had five star Brandon wimbush on bench because Kelly messes up qbs and a freshen 5 star on bench too a guy named Phil jurkovich that starts at BC... He played book because he prefers the guy that won't throw picks but can't throw with velocity and avoids the middle.
Oline was loaded. NFL picks Alex bars, Liam eichenburg, Aaron banks, Robert hainsey, Sam mustipher, tommy Kramer.
Te... Five stars Cole kmet, brock wright, alize mack, Tommy tremble
Defense had NFL players Julian love, Julian okwara, Khalid Kareem, daylin hayes, drew tranquil, a guy named Jeremiah owuso koromoa, troy pride, and Sean Crawford.
There was NO LACK OF TALENT.
Oh there is the fact though that for four years Kelly never put chase and miles on the field at the same time. Good coaching there...sarcasm
Played the noodle armed QB that could ever win the big game, but wouldn't lose the gummies.
Wouldn't let the QB through over the middle to STUD TIGHT ENDS
It was a good effort to troll, but that lie doesn't stand up. At all.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:33 pm to hg
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Marcus Freeman
Getting propped up by the media almost as much as that shithead biden
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:35 pm to Mirer
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Fyi the fiesta bowl loss we had two lame duck coaches both del alexander wrs and Quinn (on staff at LSU) knew they were out. We had no rb coach as he took the oc job at Louisville. On defense Mike Elston was givin the chance to run the defense and play call as an audition for the DC job.
You saw how that went and he's gone.
From that game the only returning coaches are freeman, Rees, mickens. The entirety of the staff had to be purged of Kelly's old boy network.
Just wait. You already have the old boy network that was either fired by ND ad's or were underperforming.
Beware Quinn, Polian, Denbrock, and Kerry cooks.
They are all Kelly yes men.
I like Denbrock a lot and think he got a raw deal and Kelly threw him under the bus to save his job at ND.
Brian Polian absolutely sucks as a st coach. Fans jokingly called him coach fair catch. He does a lot of administrative work for Kelly so he keep him around. He's not great at recruiting...especially the south as a new Yorker he had very few friends at Notre Dame. I can't imagine he's a good fit at LSU.
Quinn was Kelly's oc at Cincy and had one good year. Kelly for some reason gave him the ol job when Harry Heistand left for the bears and he absolutely sucked. He hadn't coaches ol in years and took a Joe Moore line to a catching baby line last year. He's awful. ND fans swear he has blackmail photos of Kelly to stay on staff
Kerry Cooks is a solid secondary coach and a good recruiter, although he has similar negative recruiting stories as Ed ogeron had as being a very negative recruiter.
...and we are still LSU and have won national championships with Les Miles and Ed Orgeron.
I dont' think Brian Kelly is the best coach ever. I just don't think he needs to be.
LSU fans just come from a different perspective than Notre Dame fans. Notre Dame fans NEED to pretend they have an elite coach because, in their mind, that's what they need.
LSU fans have seen the team win 3 championships in less than 20 years, with 3 different coaches, 2 of which are literally referred to as well below average coaches.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:39 pm to Mirer
You’re pretty much making our point about not having skill position talent. Other than Claypool, none of those receivers are worth a shite. Kmet is the most talented guy on your list, meaning Kelly had to build an offense around the TE. That’s because Notre Dame doesn’t have overall team speed on the outside.
On the other hand you have LSU, which produces NFL superstars on the outside on both offense and defense. We have multiple guys at WR who will be number #3 or better guys on an NFL roster. Add in the fact that we have multiple 1st and 2nd rounders on the DL, and you can start to see the difference in Notre Dame and a real team from the SEC. Just need Kelly to fill us out on the oline and we will be a well oiled machine for years to come.
On the other hand you have LSU, which produces NFL superstars on the outside on both offense and defense. We have multiple guys at WR who will be number #3 or better guys on an NFL roster. Add in the fact that we have multiple 1st and 2nd rounders on the DL, and you can start to see the difference in Notre Dame and a real team from the SEC. Just need Kelly to fill us out on the oline and we will be a well oiled machine for years to come.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:46 pm to Mirer
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There was NO LACK OF TALENT.
All that "talent" you just listed? Now let's take a look at the 2018 Bama squad:
Offense:
QB: Tua and Hurts
RB: Damien Harris, Najee Harris, Josh Jacobs, Brian Robinson
WR: Jerry Jeudy, Henry Ruggs, Jaylen Waddle, Devonte Smith
OL: Alex Leatherwood, Jonah Williams, Matt Womack, Jedrick Willis
Defense:
Line: Quinnen Williams, Raekwon Davis, Isaiah Buggs, Mathis
LB: Wilson, Moses
Secondary: Diggs, Surtain, Thompson, McKinney
The Irish literally had 0 chance against this team. Rockne could have risen from the dead and coached from the sidelines and it wouldn't have mattered.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:54 pm to Mirer
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Kelly is very good at prep and will put talent the teams that LSU out recruits. I do not think his game planning or lack of adjustments will help vs top Alabama, a&m, Georgia etc....
What guys like you don't understand about the south is 4 star guys from the south are built different than those from up north. It's proof when you see where NFL players comes from per capita.
Once BK gets a couple years under his belt here, he'll do just fine. There are key positions filled already from last year's recruiting class and this one that are better than any he ever had at ND.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:03 pm to Mirer
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Chase claypool, miles boykin, Cole kmet, Dexter williams, were all on the 2018 squad... Had five star Brandon wimbush on bench because Kelly messes up qbs and a freshen 5 star on bench too a guy named Phil jurkovich that starts at BC... He played book because he prefers the guy that won't throw picks but can't throw with velocity and avoids the middle.
Oline was loaded. NFL picks Alex bars, Liam eichenburg, Aaron banks, Robert hainsey, Sam mustipher, tommy Kramer.
Te... Five stars Cole kmet, brock wright, alize mack, Tommy tremble
Defense had NFL players Julian love, Julian okwara, Khalid Kareem, daylin hayes, drew tranquil, a guy named Jeremiah owuso koromoa, troy pride, and Sean Crawford.
How many of these players were considered great college players & then went on to the NFL to become one of the best players at their positions?
Out of all those ND players listed, Claypool (2nd), Kmet (2nd), Eichenburg (2nd), Banks (2nd), Hainsey (3rd), Tremble (3rd), Okwara (3rd) & Owusu-Koramoah (2nd) were all second day picks. The others you posted were mid, late & undrafted free agents. Basically a bunch of NFL back ups & practice squad players. There's not one All Pro or Pro Bowler in that entire list. Should I list the NFL Draft positions, accomplishments & awards of LSU players in the NFL from that same time frame?
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:06 pm to classicgold
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You’re pretty much making our point about not having skill position talent. Other than Claypool, none of those receivers are worth a shite. Kmet is the most talented guy on your list, meaning Kelly had to build an offense around the TE. That’s because Notre Dame doesn’t have overall team speed on the outside.
On the other hand you have LSU, which produces NFL superstars on the outside on both offense and defense. We have multiple guys at WR who will be number #3 or better guys on an NFL roster. Add in the fact that we have multiple 1st and 2nd rounders on the DL, and you can start to see the difference in Notre Dame and a real team from the SEC. Just need Kelly to fill us out on the oline and we will be a well oiled machine for years to come.
All of this & you didn't even hit on the NFL talent LSU on the defensive side of the ball over that same time frame. Dude is an idiot for even trying to compare the talent levels between ND & LSU because it's not even close.
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