re: For those who believe in O, would you feel the same if it were Chizik?

I would have hated it. But less than I hated the Orgeron hire.

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If Orgeron got Cam Newton we would have similar results.

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Late response, but this was an interesting point.

Let’s say Burrow is a best case scenario, blows up and we have great success with him.

Are we to assume that means O is a great coach that will continue to win at that level, or is it possible he is another Chizik that lucked into a superstar player that was trained by someone else and once he leaves we could collapse just like Chizik did?

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But Chizik didn’t have great assistants like Aranda or any success after Newton left.

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He hired Gus?


And “no success”?? He had 8-5 records both the year before and the year after Newton left.

O was 9-4 this past year and may be again this year and many of his supporters are saying that that would be very successful. Is it really that different?



This really is an honest question.


It seems to me that we basically hired a much less successful version of Chizik, one without even the success he had as a coordinator.

I doubt very seriously that Gene Chizik would be given the same benefit of the doubt or excuse making by those that support O, but for some reason those same posters are constantly here defending and trying to build up O.


I’m honestly just curious why there is the lack of continuity there.

Is it seriously just because he’s from Louisiana?

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because we all know there would have been nearly universal angst about such a shitty, underwhelming hire had he not been from LaRose.

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It really is incredible, but this is actually all it comes down to.

There is no other explanation.

That’s why I was hoping to get some discussion here to explain why they would have been ok with hiring Chizik.

But they did the opposite and criticized him even though his accomplishments far outweigh O’s, making the reality blatantly obvious.


As riled up as they get when people poke fun at the he’s one of us, he talks like us, gumbo recipe quips, it’s because it’s true. There isn’t any other way to rationalize him being the coach at LSU.

Unbelievable.

Gene Chizik did something that no LSU coach has done since 1958, which is had an undefeated season.

That's unfortunate because Chizik sucks.

I believe in O's ability as a recruiter

I think he has a pretty solid staff assembled and seems to surround himself with good people. Steve is the big question mark right now. His future as LSU head coach will be tied to that decision good or bad IMO

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It really is incredible, but this is actually all it comes down to.

There is no other explanation.

That’s why I was hoping to get some discussion here to explain why they would have been ok with hiring Chizik.

But they did the opposite and criticized him even though his accomplishments far outweigh O’s, making the reality blatantly obvious.


As riled up as they get when people poke fun at the he’s one of us, he talks like us, gumbo recipe quips, it’s because it’s true. There isn’t any other way to rationalize him being the coach at LSU.

Unbelievable.

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I really wish it WASN'T that easy to see, don't you? I hate that it's obviously that shallow of a reason...but it clearly is.

Whether people want to pretend it's not...

IT IS A FACT that we hired a man with a career 10-25 head coaching record who earned that record in the the same division of our own conference.

IT IS A FACT that no other Power 5 school was even interviewing him for their head coaching openings from the time be ended him interim season with SC and the time Alleva named him the full time head coach in November of 2016.

Had Alleva attempted that move with any other coach with that exact same resume, LSU fans would rightfully taken to the streets to protest the move. There is no way that following 2 National Title winning coaches we'd have stood for that kind of bullshite around this program any longer. We labored away for DECADES between 1958 and 2003. By 2016, we knew EXACTLY what it takes to get this program working, and we knew what it takes to potentially set us back to square one. And in fact, for the last few years of Miles' tenure as fans wanted him gone, did anyone remotely consider replacing him with a coach with a nearly .300 career winning percentage?

But...none of this seems to matter, because he's from here. No other reason has even be suggested when your kind of post points it out like this. And that's scary enough.

My real fear is that if the above is true...and a huge portion of the fan base was/is excited about this despite what he did not bring to the table, what kind of truly mediocre success rate will he be able to keep up to have this job for a decade or longer? We can already see the attempts to lower expectations across the board. How soon will 8-4 be spun as good enough?

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i just don't see chizek being a good fit here.

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He wouldn't have been. That's not the point.

All he's asking is what would fans reactions have been if Alleva had hired an underwhelming though more successful coach than Orgeron to take over after Les?

What most people did instead of responding to his question, was talk about how bad Chizik would have been...which is almost all based on his results which, oddly enough, is pretty rational for this board.

So if that's the case...why did so many support the hiring of a far bigger risk, if not simple because of his place of birth?

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IT IS A FACT that we hired a man with a career 10-25 head coaching record who earned that record in the the same division of our own conference.

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that doesn't bother me that much as it does you. It was 10 years ago AT OLE MISS.

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IT IS A FACT that no other Power 5 school was even interviewing him for their head coaching openings from the time be ended him interim season with SC and the time Alleva named him the full time head coach in November of 2016.

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HE IS A better fit at LSU than at other schools plus he had a 10 game interview process in 2016 actually coaching at the school he was applying to. Which just doesn't happen that often. Once Fisher (who wanted more money than he is worth and not convinced he will succeed at LSU or AM anyway) and Hermann (who I am now glad we didn't get) fell through. I was good with Orgeron or with Fleck (or maybe Mullen) but didn't want Fedora or Franklin.

I bet if O was from Fargo North Dakota you wouldn't say that.