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re: Flynn not impressed with LSU QB coaching?
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:19 am to TheLittleAristotle
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:19 am to TheLittleAristotle
he would be 100% correct, most of those guys don't get the fine tuning they need until they get to the NFL, but it's not only LSU, it's other schools also. M Mauck made plays with his feet, but was a terrible thrower, and we all know how JR is struggling in the NFL right now.
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Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:20 am to Bleeding purple
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Ever see a a dog cringe when you raise your hand at it? That is a coached instinct.
That is a learned behavior. Instinct is a natural unlearned behavior.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:23 am to tubucoco
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and we all know how JR is struggling in the NFL right now
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:52 am to TheLittleAristotle
Wow, sounds like Brohm is scared of failing.
That's one thing about Matt Flynn. He'll keep comin at you, no matter what. That kid can keep it together under pressure, he can overcome his own mistakes and the mistakes of others.
Sounds like Brohm has always been "the man" playing against weaker competition and never really had to do that. Advantage Flynn.
As for the coaching....of course he is getting more detailed coaching in the NFL. I think in college, there is a certain amount of just letting the kids play like they play. Talent stands out more in college. In the NFL, everything needs to be perfect.
That's one thing about Matt Flynn. He'll keep comin at you, no matter what. That kid can keep it together under pressure, he can overcome his own mistakes and the mistakes of others.
Sounds like Brohm has always been "the man" playing against weaker competition and never really had to do that. Advantage Flynn.
As for the coaching....of course he is getting more detailed coaching in the NFL. I think in college, there is a certain amount of just letting the kids play like they play. Talent stands out more in college. In the NFL, everything needs to be perfect.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 11:54 am to TheLittleAristotle
I doubt seriously that Tebow over the last three years has been coached on the finer technical points of quarterbacking. It's just Tebow run right, Tebow run left, Tebow run up the middle, Tebow throw to the wide open Pearcy Harvin, Tebow jump up and throw the ball to the wide open receiver in the end zone.
Matt Flynn completed an awful lot of passes and was pretty successful. Plus remember he spent 3 years backing up and didn't get the majority of reps until his senior year.
Matt Flynn completed an awful lot of passes and was pretty successful. Plus remember he spent 3 years backing up and didn't get the majority of reps until his senior year.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 12:03 pm to TheLittleAristotle
They only have so many hours to coach. It seems like at every level you realize how much the guy before "didn't know"... it might be more along the lines of not having the time to teach it. Ten hours of practice a week in high school. I think it's around 20 in college a week, and in the NFL that's all they do.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 12:08 pm to TheLittleAristotle
Who's Matt Flynn?
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:30 pm to Wideman
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Man, if JR said this about LSU, this thread would already be 30 pages.
I doubt it.
What did Flynn say that was offensive to LSU? There were only a couple of phrases in quotation so we don't know what was said or how he said it.
If JR said the same thing I would expect that what he said had some merit. Most young quarterbacks improve because they get the detailed coaching and lots of repetition once they become professional.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:37 pm to texastigerr
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I doubt seriously that Tebow over the last three years has been coached on the finer technical points of quarterbacking
actually before last season I remember seeing a little segment on Tebow learning proper release techniques from I believe the baseball pitching staff and with the same technology they use for laying down body movements in a video game to critique/maximize his throwing ability...of course Tebow was and is their starter for the next few seasons at that point, Matt Flynn had one season to do it...
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:40 pm to lsucoon
plus, I would imagine Jordan Jefferson is getting a bit more coaching than Matt Flynn, primarily because he has a couple more years to benefit LSU
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:46 pm to lsucoon
Yeah, as a matter of fact, Tebow WAS coached on the finer technical points of quarterbacking last year up until the Ol Miss game. Then he quickly forgot all that crap.
As for Flynn, I guess he's not impressed that he was drafted as an NFL QB? That alone says alot about the coaching he got.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:47 pm to roygu
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I doubt it.
What did Flynn say that was offensive to LSU? There were only a couple of phrases in quotation so we don't know what was said or how he said it.
Please, we have stupid fans who get offended by JR's clothing choices if he had said that rantards would be coming out of the woodworks to say he hates LSU.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:49 pm to Wideman
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Man, if JR said this about LSU, this thread would already be 30 pages.
A-frickin'-men.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 2:49 pm to lsucoon
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actually before last season I remember seeing a little segment on Tebow learning proper release techniques from I believe the baseball pitching staff and with the same technology they use for laying down body movements in a video game to critique/maximize his throwing ability...of course Tebow was and is their starter for the next few seasons at that point, Matt Flynn had one season to do it...
+1 Yeah, Tebow is getting a lot of coaching. The comment of run left and run right is ignorant they have been working on his throwing motion.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:09 pm to TigerNlc
People here will come to LSU's defense in any situation. We got more instruction than "drop back and throw" in high school. Frankly, that's kind of sad. Sound technique is crucial for being able to throw well and on time.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:12 pm to TheLittleAristotle
I love how you get 20 responses to this thread with preformed rebuttals against points you haven't actually made.
I'll go ahead and say that Flynn was indeed criticizing the lack of attention he got from LSU coaches. I don't really see how anybody can spin this otherwise.
There are, obviously, good excuses why everything can't be taught as well in college. Plus, Flynn didn't exactly have the best timing for being coached.
(1) When he had the coach most known for coaching individual technique (Jimbo Fisher), he was still in Russell's shadow.
(2) When his time came in 2007, the new OC had his hands full implementing a new system and game strategy, and so certainly didn't have time to teach technique to a QB who was only going to be there one more year.
As for relevance to the program today, it does raise some concerns about how well our offensive coaches can teach individual QB technique.
Jarrett Lee's mechanics last year were not particularly sound, and you don't have to be a football expert to realize this. He habitually threw with all his weight on his back foot (which was probably THE main reason his passes sailed too much last season), which you're definitely not supposed to do.
Just my two cents...
I'll go ahead and say that Flynn was indeed criticizing the lack of attention he got from LSU coaches. I don't really see how anybody can spin this otherwise.
There are, obviously, good excuses why everything can't be taught as well in college. Plus, Flynn didn't exactly have the best timing for being coached.
(1) When he had the coach most known for coaching individual technique (Jimbo Fisher), he was still in Russell's shadow.
(2) When his time came in 2007, the new OC had his hands full implementing a new system and game strategy, and so certainly didn't have time to teach technique to a QB who was only going to be there one more year.
As for relevance to the program today, it does raise some concerns about how well our offensive coaches can teach individual QB technique.
Jarrett Lee's mechanics last year were not particularly sound, and you don't have to be a football expert to realize this. He habitually threw with all his weight on his back foot (which was probably THE main reason his passes sailed too much last season), which you're definitely not supposed to do.
Just my two cents...
Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:27 pm to Doc Fenton
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He habitually threw with all his weight on his back foot (which was probably THE main reason his passes sailed too much last season), which you're definitely not supposed to do.
Probably more a function of his being scared of the rush than lack of coaching. No QB willingly throws planting the back foot.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 3:57 pm to Friedrich Nietzsche
No. I am absolutely certain that he did it all the time, even when there was nobody near him. And even if it was due to fear, stepping into a rush is as coachable as just about anything else in football.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 4:30 pm to TheLittleAristotle
I have been saying all along that i think our QBs does not get the propers mentorship. I still feel we need a bonofide QB coach on the sidelines during the game becuase it is to hard for GC to do it from the OC booth.
Posted on 7/7/09 at 4:44 pm to cardee2003
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I have been saying all along that i think our QBs does not get the propers mentorship.
Not sure about that. You could be right. However, keep in mind that the NCAA limits the number of hours of practice each week and during the offseason.
I think Flynn's comments were about the differences in college and NFL rather than the dffirences in a particular coach. Obviously, there are far more coaches per player in the NFL than college. So, I would definitely expect him to get more individual coaching time than in college.
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