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re: First 3 years - Gerry DiNardo vs Brian Kelly
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:50 am to Geauxgurt
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:50 am to Geauxgurt
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Stop with this. First off that was the bowl game number everyone regurgitates.
Secondly, he had free reign to bring in as many transfers as he wanted with the portal and free transfer rules, which DiNardo did not have the opportunity to do. DiNardo had to trust high school kids and develop the ones he inherited for the majority. Kelly was able to literally find top tier, experienced/proven college players to fill his holes, and to his credit he did, but that is why people acting like he pulled off some miracle in year 1 is just stupid
Although the number was lower for the bowl game with 39 players available, the fact is that he had the job of adding a lot of players to a losing team's roster. It wasn't a miracle by any means, but he did a good job with finding guys to fill in the holes who could play on the SEC level.
No doubt, the DiNardo and BK eras were completely different as to what was allowed and what wasn't in building a roster, but it was a damn-near miracle for LSU make it to the SEC Championship in BK's first year. No one predicted that.
But this is a what have you done for me lately business and we just got obliterated by a below average Bama team (by Bama standards). He needs to do some things different and right the ship here.
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:50 am to mpwilging
quote:A big reason Little Nicky totally turned things around was that he demanded, and got, LSU to pony up the funds for a lot of things.
DiNardo brought back the magic, but it was fleeting and left TS. Too sad because I think had LSU given him a better budget, it would have worked.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:51 am to plance
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Dinardo made $95,000 per year at LSU. Holy crap…
I would always bitch about Hallman/DiNardo back then and my friends would say "why don't you apply for the job if you think you could do any better" my response was always "I"d love to but I'm not taking a pay cut for that job"
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:51 am to mpwilging
In hindsight, Gerry DiNardo deserves more credit and respect for his contributions to the program than he gets. People forget how bad the program was when he was hired (much like Brian Kelly), and he picked it up off the mat but just couldn't finish the job. We will see if Kelly does, but it looks to me like 2025 will be the same or worse than 2024 from a talent standpoint.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:59 am to Geauxgurt
Kelly is the worst LSU HC since Curley
The fans defending him really are the most pathetic people on the planet
The fans defending him really are the most pathetic people on the planet
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:59 am to Colonel Angus
Reese's wiki page has him as Carl "Bull" Reese !
Enuff said about him and his defensive coaching approach!!
Enuff said about him and his defensive coaching approach!!
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:01 am to Geauxgurt
But but but it’s only year 3 , just wait til next year.
Blah blah blah
Blah blah blah
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:15 am to Septiger
Reality is recruiting alone won't win them games. The coaching decisions on both sides of the ball in regards to hires have been poor. It was good on offense to start, but multiple poor hires on defense.
Again, House left UK for an assistant LBers coach position because he hated recruiting. That means he hated even more than Aranda and was nowhere near as well respected as Aranda by his peers as an actual coach.
The fact that he was hired by Kelly to begin with is a major mystery. Cain and the upperclassman that were mostly already developed (including the transfers) were the reason for LSU's defensive success in year one. They overcame House's horrible coaching and team management/leadership. Year 2, you saw what happens without them to cover his arse.
I think Baker will do well in the long run, although I think what they paid for him was not worth it. That said, Kelly went lazy and with a focus on recruiting again once he had to replace OC by promoting Sloan to OC. He has no business being LSU's OC and it shows. If Kelly truly believed this team was going to be ready to compete for championships in year 3, why is he capitulating his offense to a high school recruit and not hiring the best OC he can when he is being given blank checks?
You can forgive DiNardo when he was hamstrung by Dean with his ability to hire top tier assistants. You cannot give the same luxury to a man being allowed to pay a DL coach over $1 million and have the highest paid DC in the country. You just can't.
Again, House left UK for an assistant LBers coach position because he hated recruiting. That means he hated even more than Aranda and was nowhere near as well respected as Aranda by his peers as an actual coach.
The fact that he was hired by Kelly to begin with is a major mystery. Cain and the upperclassman that were mostly already developed (including the transfers) were the reason for LSU's defensive success in year one. They overcame House's horrible coaching and team management/leadership. Year 2, you saw what happens without them to cover his arse.
I think Baker will do well in the long run, although I think what they paid for him was not worth it. That said, Kelly went lazy and with a focus on recruiting again once he had to replace OC by promoting Sloan to OC. He has no business being LSU's OC and it shows. If Kelly truly believed this team was going to be ready to compete for championships in year 3, why is he capitulating his offense to a high school recruit and not hiring the best OC he can when he is being given blank checks?
You can forgive DiNardo when he was hamstrung by Dean with his ability to hire top tier assistants. You cannot give the same luxury to a man being allowed to pay a DL coach over $1 million and have the highest paid DC in the country. You just can't.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:15 am to Big EZ Tiger
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DinNardo did very well his first three years.
Pfffft....We played 3 ranked teams in '96 and lost to 2 of those teams (Alabama and Florida) by a combined 69 points. Our 6 SEC wins were agains teams that had a combined conference record of 14-34.
In '97 we played 2 ranked teams and our SEC opponents were a combined 26-38 in conference.
In '98 we were 4-7 and played 5 ranked teams. After starting out 3-0 with wins over 2 cupcakes (Arkansas State and Idaho) and 3-8 Auburn, we dropped 7 of our last 8 games.
Dinardo didn't inherit the same strong SEC top to bottom that Kelly did.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:17 am to mpwilging
It really was a different time. Kids outside of Louisiana weren't even talking about LSU when DiNardo took over. LSU hadn't won anything. We had 2 failed coaches before DiNardo. LSU is on the map now after winning 3 National Championships in 20 years. So it is easier to recruit here. Plus, BK has a huge budget to make coaches the highest paid coach in college like Baker and a transfer portal that you can almost flip your team over with experienced players. The landscape is very different.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:18 am to mpwilging
Kelly has no excuse to be so void of talent and for his team to play like they did the last 6 quarters
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:20 am to LSU82BILL
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Pfffft....We played 3 ranked teams in '96 and lost to 2 of those teams (Alabama and Florida) by a combined 69 points.
Hmmmm.. You mean the National Champions UF that destroyed literally everyone not named FSU that year only to then destroy FSU in the end?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:52 am to LSU82BILL
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Pfffft....We played 3 ranked teams in '96 and lost to 2 of those teams (Alabama and Florida) by a combined 69 points. Our 6 SEC wins were agains teams that had a combined conference record of 14-34.
In '97 we played 2 ranked teams and our SEC opponents were a combined 26-38 in conference.
In '98 we were 4-7 and played 5 ranked teams. After starting out 3-0 with wins over 2 cupcakes (Arkansas State and Idaho) and 3-8 Auburn, we dropped 7 of our last 8 games.
Dinardo didn't inherit the same strong SEC top to bottom that Kelly did.
Seriously dude? LSU hadn't had a winning record in 6 years before DiNardo took over. He immediately turned us into a winner, had three winning seasons, won 3 bowl games, and beat #1 UF (a first in LSU history) before the wheels fell off.
You have to give him some credit for what he did before the collapse. He could only play the teams on LSU's schedule and he succeeded for 3 years before things went bad and he needed to go. He had some positives to go with the negatives.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:07 pm to Geauxgurt
Now all we need is Kelly singing about being “crazy ‘bout a Ford truck” and they’ll be the same person!
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:11 pm to Geauxgurt
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Gerry DiNardo vs Brian Kelly
Kelly and the Tigers will be playing for the Dinardo Trophy on November 23.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:12 pm to Geauxgurt
Clearly DiNardo had it harder. We have to appreciate those seasons for where we are now. He really brought the magic back, him and Kevin.
If we don't retire #3 in the stadium in the next decade, something is fricking wrong with the system.
If we don't retire #3 in the stadium in the next decade, something is fricking wrong with the system.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:17 pm to Geauxgurt
It's a waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy different SEC now versus then, this is a dumb premise.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:25 pm to TheBaker
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serious speed and talent on offense (Kevin Faulk, Kendall Cleveland, Eddie Kennison, etc). A defense that was ranked #1 in the SEC the previous season. Kelly had more of a mess to deal with.
Kelly got the same, likely better, offensive talent (nabers, Thomas, Boutte)
Plenty of talent on defense too. He hasn’t been able to develop or attract more talent on D.
Seriously guys, he is in his third year as a coach. Talented freshman he recruited would normally be eying the NFL at this point as a draft eligible Jr. I don’t see a ton of those guys on this roster.
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