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re: Fire Beth Torino Immediately
Posted on 5/22/25 at 2:37 pm to HighRoller
Posted on 5/22/25 at 2:37 pm to HighRoller
Agree recruiting has been an issue, are they coached up when they are 26-1 with wins over VA Tech, UCLA and a sweep over Kentucky? I would submit the talent disparity between the top of the SEC and us is reason for the late season downfall. Is it a downfall or simply not as gifted?
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Posted on 5/22/25 at 2:40 pm to Casualobserver1985
Isn’t ucla the only one of those to advance? Maybe those weren’t as good of wins as thought. Collapses at the end of each season is definitely coaching.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 2:50 pm to HighRoller
So not beating teams who have better players is coaching? If you want to talk recruiting then I’m on board 100%. Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas have better players than LSU. They were also the 1,3,4 and 6 seeds. If you think LSU has the same players as those teams then you got purple glasses on because it ain’t close. Yes, UCLA was the only one of those to advance further validating my point we can compete against that level but not the aforementioned teams. Recruiting has to get better! My analogy would be Cade Durham rushing for 200 vs LA Tech this fall but then only getting 65 vs Florida on the same amount of carries, is that coaching or does Florida have better players than LA Tech??
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/22/25 at 2:55 pm to Fat Bastard
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had a call with another coach last night per his sources she is going nowhere as we all expected. at least for this year. supposedly there will be a push to recruit more in state girls. let's see what happens.
I’m not sure this is part of the problem at all. What “in state” girls are we missing out on that would contribute? I fault Beth for a lot of things but casting a wide recruiting net is not one of them. And I’m not saying Bastard believes it is, he’s just reporting what was said.
But sounds like this is some made-up problem to ignore the real problems. I can see this scenario if Beth stays around—which Scott is apparently okay with—Neal leaves as expected because he knows no championships are forthcoming in Red Stick. Beth’s buddy Leftwich is shitting the bed at North Carolina State, as expected.
So Leftwich gets fired after next season and Beth brings her back to replace Neal and LL can resume her Billy Graham crusades back in the bayou.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 3:18 pm to timlan2057
She was given her final warning shot for this upcoming year.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 3:20 pm to WhoDatNC
What was the warning ?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 3:43 pm to Casualobserver1985
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What was the warning ?
Win or we’re going to pay you a couple of million dollars not to coach!
Posted on 5/22/25 at 4:21 pm to Casualobserver1985
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Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas have better players than LSU.
They took 2/3 against Florida, Berzon not finishing games kept them from winning 2 or 3 against Texas, a Berzon meltdown kept them taking 2 of 3 against Arkansas, and the entire pitching staff took off against A&M. Had Berzon been at the level she was in her first 2 seasons, LSU wins at least 3 of those 4 series and goes 7-5 or 8-4 instead of 4-8. I’m not necessarily letting Torina off the hook here since pitchers regressing in their last couple of years has become a recurring pattern, but if Berzon really was hurt, then this was a team that was just that close to challenging in the SEC and earning a Top 4 seed.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 8:57 am to MikeTheTiger71
Agree with much of that and Berzon really was hurt. She was forced to pitch most of the season injured. Confirmed by several people close to the program and alluded to by Torina explicitly. Told by one parent at a game that at one point she couldn't even raise her pitching arm beyond her shoulder and was getting cortisone shots to be able to pitch (arm and ankle). She absolutely has not performed as she has in the past and since she pitched she has to wear the performances but context is important. She hasn't been healthy most of the season.
But as some have noted it wasn't ONLY the pitching either. The squad was next last in SEC play fielding percentage and second only to Kentucky in number of errors. And although the overall stats were higher offensively they struggled mightily when the lights shined brightest especially with runners in scoring position.
But as some have noted it wasn't ONLY the pitching either. The squad was next last in SEC play fielding percentage and second only to Kentucky in number of errors. And although the overall stats were higher offensively they struggled mightily when the lights shined brightest especially with runners in scoring position.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:41 am to TigerByAssociation1
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Yep! AND that just beat the #1 seed! performing against the same top competition. But KK has played against top competition (including eliminating the team that swept LSU) and performed well all year.
KK madrey was a top recruit out of HS. An elite speedster/lead off player. Not shocked she Is doing well tbh
Posted on 5/23/25 at 9:52 am to timlan2057
I’ll admit I do NOT know softball recruiting. I just know there’s a top 50 young lady in Alexandria that never even considered LSU…because of her. One kid is not the reason to fire a coach. But if the talent gap is that big, are their others? She’s a ‘26 kid but still.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 11:07 am to TigerAlum4Life
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But as some have noted it wasn't ONLY the pitching either. The squad was next last in SEC play fielding percentage and second only to Kentucky in number of errors. And although the overall stats were higher offensively they struggled mightily when the lights shined brightest especially with runners in scoring position.
I agree that the defense was also a big problem, but a healthy Berzon would have helped to overcome those limitations. SLU definitely presented matchup problems for LSU and the defense may still have cost them Game 1 even if Berzon were healthy and throwing that game. The offense didn’t do their job in that game either, but there were only a few other losses where you could say they might have won with a good offensive performance. Most of the losses were due to giving up 6+ runs.
It’s really beyond the point of excusing away team performance under Torina, but things really could have been much different the last two years apart from one key injury each year. With Coffey last year, LSU probably makes the WCWS. With a healthy Berzon, they would have been WCWS caliber this year, though SLU may still have derailed them.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 11:24 am to TigerAlum4Life
This is such bullshiiit, forced to pitch? Zero chance she was forced to pitch, the trainer controls injuries either she is cleared or not. No one gets multiple cortisone shots for the same injury within a month or two. Berzon was always injured, she complained last year of injuries, the culture of the team and the bullpen is far batter off without the narcissist Berzon
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 11:54 am
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:22 pm to TigerAlum4Life
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Told by one parent at a game that at one point she couldn't even raise her pitching arm beyond her shoulder and was getting cortisone shots to be able to pitch (arm and ankle).
If this were the case, Torina could be fired with cause.
Also, why did she pitch against Conn.? Why did she pitch the last couple of innings against SLU? After the first SLU loss, Torina talked about how "deep" her pitching staff was and how they still had a chance to win the regional because of the "deep" staff.
Again, if this were true, Torina would be out of a job right now. Well, at least out of the LSU job.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:23 pm to lsufan013
11 page softball thread - has to be a tRant record eh?
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:24 pm to TigerDCC11
BTW, Sydney Peterson is in the portal.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:29 pm to Spankum
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Win or we’re going to pay you a couple of million dollars not to coach!
Im sure she's terrified
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:35 pm to lsufan013
Southeastern has all local girls. Torino loves to recruit everywhere except here.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 1:07 pm to TigerDCC11
It’s not true, it’s an excuse for Berzon who was bad this year and another way to bash Torina
Posted on 5/23/25 at 2:02 pm to TigerDCC11
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BTW, Sydney Peterson is in the portal.
Supposedly, she isn't going to play softball again. Her shoulder was wrecked so bad that she can't throw.
Her being in the portal is probably some administrative thing so she can transfer somewhere else for grad school .
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