Started By
Message

re: Fans dilemma: next yr QB..pros and cons of each QB

Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:37 am to
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
7592 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:37 am to
quote:

Make him throw it downfield. You’re an idiot if you’re trying to be a smartass, anyone with two eyes can see that Arkansas, A&M, and Georgia did the exact same things defensively against us and it worked brilliantly


Not trying to be a smart arse. There were very few similarities, if any, in the defensive game plans of Arkansas, A&M and Georgia, so I figured I would ask. I enjoy x and o talk as much as the next fella
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10957 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Daniels:
Pro: experience, you know what your getting from a Daniels run offense..fast as fucck. Beat Bama

Cons: He cannot throw consistently to be down the field threat…if they shut down his running lanes..he is screwed..see last 3 games..has problems reading defense


Daniels played a half injured against UGA and wasn't a threat to run. So his average over his last 2.5 games was 23.6/35.2 (67%) abd 277 YPG. He also averaged 75.6 yards rushing even with the (-6) against UGA. Daniels passing stats alone were better than Burrow had with a better group of receivers in 2018. Then add the additional 418 rushing yards Daniels gave us. There's a reason we were 69th in total offense in 2018 and 30th this year. We were also 14th in 3rd down conversion % (57th in 2018) without a premier RB and a young OL.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35622 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Ughhh.

Going to be a long off season


Fans will debate it for 8 months. But barring something unexpected, if Daniels returns he will be LSU's starting QB. I, like everyone else, loved what I saw Nussmeier do in the SEC championship game. However, I think coaches like what they know and what they can trust in a QB, and are reluctant to stray into the "unknown"...which is what starting Nussmeier would be since he has never started a college game in his life.

Next season ALL of the teams that finished ahead of LSU in the CFP rankings (Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee) will be replacing very experienced QBs. It is entirely likely Daniels would be the most experienced QB in the SEC going into next season and coaches tend to place a high value on experience. Particularly at the QB spot. If LSU were to choose to move on from Daniels they would essentially be giving up the experience advantage they have over every team in the league. I just don't see Kelly doing that.

LSU has played in 4 national championship games over the last 22 years. The QBs in those games:

1. RS Jr (Mauck)
2. RS Senior (Flynn)
3. Senior (Jefferson)
4. RS Senior (Burrow)

Nussmeier may very well be the best QB. I'm not at practice or in the film room daily. But the point is it is hard to see the coaching staff sit a 5th year QB who has started 40+ games in his career in favor of a QB who has never started a game. And despite what we may think on here, THEIR opinion is the only one that matters.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:43 am
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Stopped reading here because you know throwing is kind of important when discussing QBs. Next year should be a nuss vs Howard battle let the best QB win the job.

JD needs to go pro. His window is closing.



correct
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:09 am to
quote:

3. Senior (Jefferson)


dont care what anyone says, Lee got us to that game with his 7-8 starts...

and if you want me to point out the obvious, all of those QBs are throwing QBs... not running QBs
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
24227 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:37 am to
Daniel’s throws for 567 yards in the bowl game. Talk of post season bowl games. Turns pro. Trant bitches about what could have been.

Nuss starts next year. First pick thrown Score board melts calls for Howard to start.

Howard is backup with rumors of him hitting the portal.

Rinse repeat with new guys in 2024.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35622 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 10:51 am to
quote:

dont care what anyone says, Lee got us to that game with his 7-8 starts...

and if you want me to point out the obvious, all of those QBs are throwing QBs... not running QBs


LSU doesn't beat Alabama without Jefferson at QB that night. Regardless, Lee was a RS Sr. The point is all of the QBs in those years were very experienced and coaches will generally err on the side of experience when choosing a starting QB.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62713 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Fans dilemma


Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 11:51 am to
quote:

LSU doesn't beat Alabama without Jefferson at QB that night.

with the dumbass we had as head coach and his offense true... have a throwing offense and lee beats bama, just like Burrow beats Bama.. if you cant throw that ball youre not a QB
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
8670 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:10 pm to
It's not a fan's delimma. Trust that the coaches know more than the rant.
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
7592 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

's not a fan's delimma. Trust that the coaches know more than the rant.


Correct, but everyone here would also be a better coach than BK and staff. It can be a lucrative profession, I often wonder why more posters didn’t become coaches
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4683 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:18 pm to
You’re either very disingenuous or very clueless about football. But I’ll play along for fun, Arkansas started the game with a controlled gap disciplined rush from DL while dropping the LB’s into slant areas and secondary play zone behind them. This, early in the game, led to JD not pulling the trigger because he thought everyone was “covered” because he wants Wr’s wide the frick open. This led to him holding the ball too long, trying to get out of the pocket too late and led to sacks. Once, Odom saw the reluctance of JD to throw, he adjusted some and went to blitzing the LB’s with zone and JD never read it and the sack fest increased. Thank goodness for HP40 and how well the defense played and the Arkansas QB playing equally as bad as JD. This is a very limited explanation or blueprint but the overall scope. So for those who are blinded by their unrealistic view of what JD can do as a QB, this is why people may be wanting one of the other QB’s. He’s limited and therefore limits the utilization of the talents around him and limits the offense as a whole.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
14901 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Nussmeier may very well be the best QB. I'm not at practice or in the film room daily.


If he was he would be starting.
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
7592 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

You’re either very disingenuous or very clueless about football. But I’ll play along for fun, Arkansas started the game with a controlled gap disciplined rush from DL while dropping the LB’s into slant areas and secondary play zone behind them. This, early in the game, led to JD not pulling the trigger because he thought everyone was “covered” because he wants Wr’s wide the frick open.


I think you are talking out of your arse because you just typed a lot of stuff that claims the secret blue print is the d line maintaining gap integrity, backers dropping into flat and hook to curl zones and secondary playing zone behind it. You just described sound defensive play that is universal at every level and there is nothing unique about what you said in terms of creating game plan or how A&M and Georgia copied it.

It’s sounds like you are a guy who just watches the games on tv and listens to the announcers describe what’s going on
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4683 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 4:06 pm to
Well, maybe as a whole, one thing is for damn sure certain, Nussmeier is light years a better passer than JD. That’s not even debatable. If it was as close a competition as BK made it out to be, there are 2 things that made his mind up, JD’s scrambling combined with OL issues and the turnovers of Nussmeier. Not so much who’s better than taking the better option for team issues. Both QB’s have their flaws and advantages over the other. So, I don’t think anyone should think one QB is heads and shoulders better than the other. We can have our preferences but as BK said, it was a very close competition.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4683 posts
Posted on 12/20/22 at 5:50 pm to
No, that’s exactly how easy it is to defend JD because of his limitations, deficiencies and reluctance to throw guys open or downfield. You asked for the blueprint and I gave it to you in layman’s terms and your poor feelings got hurt.
first pageprev pagePage 2 of 2Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram