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re: Even Urban Meyer agrees that it's not worth scheduling a marquee non conf game
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:58 am to AtlantaLSUfan
Posted on 2/20/25 at 9:58 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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we would have been left out at 9-3.
Same as every other 9-3 team
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:00 am to Alt26
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But losing that first game does greatly diminish the margin for error in conf. play
The ONLY way that first loss hurts you is if you were a marginal team and that team wouldnt win the Championship, regardless.
If you want a championship type program, you run the gauntlet.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:01 am to JimTiger72
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Same as every other 9-3 team
Because the committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule only record.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:04 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Because the committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule only record.
Ehhh, if SMU beats Clemson, then 9-3 Bama is in over 10-2 Miami. (I think 9-3 SC deserved it more though)
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:05 am to Nix to Twillie
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I’d rather watch a meaningful game in December than a glorified scrimmage in September. Give me UL Monroe in the opener 100 times out of 100.
Wait, isn’t ULM a glorified scrimmage?
Also the 2 are not mutually exclusive. In the BCS and before you could make the argument that 1 loss could kill you. In the last year of the 4 team playoff Alabama lost a big early season OOC game and still made the field over an undefeated team that actually played 2 SEC teams OOC. With a 12 team playoff it’s not a concern based on reality just theory based on the past. And don’t give me all they care about is record based on Indiana or SMU last year. None of the teams that were left out were left out because they lost big OOC games they were left out because they lost too many games to shitty teams
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:09 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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If LSU beat Florida we would have been left out at 9-3.
in other words no you don’t have an example Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:10 am to H-Town Tiger
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Wait, isn’t ULM a glorified scrimmage?
Fair point, but I’d argue not if you win.
Another poster already said it well—a loss to Clemson won’t kill you, but your margin for error in conference play is much slimmer.
This is all moot if we just win the damn game.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:10 am to Captain Crown
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As a fan I look forward to opening weekend.
What drives me insane is people forget this Clemson series was scheduled 5 or 6 years ago when there was a 4 team playoff and you needed a big out of conference win to get in (because you will lose a game(s) in the SEC) .
The landscape has changed so I'm guessing these life or death early season games will go away.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:12 am to nicholastiger
Even he should know these games were scheduled years ago. Way before NIL,the portal, and a 12 team playoff schedule turned things upside down.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:13 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Because the committee doesn’t care about strength of schedule only record.
Florida State had better record than Alabama AND Texas in 2023.
Do you think record should not be a factor at all? Should Florida have been in the 2024 playoff? They had a pretty tough SOS
This post was edited on 2/20/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The ONLY way that first loss hurts you is if you were a marginal team and that team wouldnt win the Championship, regardless.
If you want a championship type program, you run the gauntlet.
Ohio St lost two Big 10 games this past season. Fortunately, for them, their non-conf. schedule was Akron, Western Michigan, and Marshall. They were a championship team despite losing two conf. games. Had they played a top 10 team on the road to open the season and lost, they wouldn't have made the CFP with their Big 10 record.
If you are good enough to go 6-2 in the SEC you are good enough to compete for a championship. Same for the Big 10 where Penn St. also lost 2 conf. games. A third loss in a non-conf. game would have likely kept both Penn St. and Ohio St. out of the CFP.
Again, as a FAN I love that LSU is playing Clemson. But the "reward" for wining the game doesn't outweigh the risk of losing. Ohio St showed you can play a bad non-conf schedule, lose two conf. games, and still win the NC. That being the case, why risk a 3 loss when you don't have to?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:22 am to Alt26
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Ohio St lost two Big 10 games this past season. Fortunately, for them, their non-conf. schedule was Akron, Western Michigan, and Marshall
Which OOC team would have beaten them?
They were far and away the best team.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
I don’t think that’s the point, though. They were the best team, yes, but we won’t be. We’ll need the buffer.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:37 am to nicholastiger
Out of Conference losses/wins won't matter beginning in 2026. Top 4 from the SEC based solely upon conference record will be automatic qualifiers for the playoffs. per Josh Pate
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Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:37 am to Lakeboy7
We're all going to end up playing William & Mary to attempt to secure a spot
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:48 am to Nix to Twillie
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but your margin for error in conference play is much slimmer
In theory and not to sound flippant but if the goal is the win a NC isn’t the margin always thin? Not every year is going to play out the same, some years there will be 3 loss teams in other years a 2 loss teams will be out. I think playing tougher OOC games makes teams better prepared for the SEC grind. Ole Miss played garbage OOC last year and lost their first SEC game to Kentucky who went 4-8. Their margin was thin and still lost to a bad Florida team late.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:03 am to Alt26
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Ohio St lost two Big 10 games this past season. Fortunately, for them, their non-conf. schedule was Akron, Western Michigan, and Marshall. They were a championship team despite losing two conf. games
The B1G also plays 9 conference games vs 8 for the SEC
There of course is no way to know for sure but if they had 2 loses going into Michigan maybe they would have played differently? As it was they knew they were in. I know I know rivalry blah blah. But they know they were in regardless of the result of that game
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If you are good enough to go 6-2 in the SEC you are good enough to compete for a championship.
You say compete for a championship but seem afraid to compete
As we saw the his year not every SEC schedule is the same there still isn’t an actual example of a team being left out because they lost an OOC game just a hypothetical Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:18 am to H-Town Tiger
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You say compete for a championship but seem afraid to compete
I think what the CFP selections showed us is that a team can compete for a championship without having to play a tough schedule. That means there is no logical reason to increase your risk of a loss that keeps you out of the CFP if you don't have to. If LSU were to go 10-2 (6-2) with a win @ Clemson, they would be in the same place if they when 10-2 (6-2) with a win over The Citadel. A win over Clemson is not going to factor into the SEC standings (which is how a first round bye is earned)
It's not an "unwillingness to compete". Its simply using logic to say why increase the risk of a loss that could ultimately keep you out of the CFP when there is no real benefit of a win?
If LSU were to go 10-2 with a win over, say, South Carolina St., they would almost assuredly make the CFP. If they go 9-3 with a loss to Clemson they might still make the CFP, but it's much less likely. You can't win the championship if you don't make the CFP first. If Ohio St. plays Georgia last year to open the season, loses, and ultimately goes 9-3 they very well may not have made the CFP. Instead, the played a weak OOC schedule, still had 2 losses in conf., but made the CFP and won the NC. They didn't have to make their road harder with a difficult OOC game to win a championship.
As a fan I like seeing LSU play Clemson. But in the system we have you don't get extra-credit for bravado. If the ultimately goal is to win a championship you do what is logically necessary to reach that goal. So why take an unnecessary risk if you don't have to?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 11:38 am to AtlantaLSUfan
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Committee proved they only care about record.
Based on which team not getting picked ?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:23 pm to PigDog33
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