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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:00 pm to Rebel
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:00 pm to Rebel
Yea I get that.
What does that have to do with the original premise of the protest though? It was never about the military to begin with.
Just seems like an easy deflection from the issue that was presented.
What does that have to do with the original premise of the protest though? It was never about the military to begin with.
Just seems like an easy deflection from the issue that was presented.
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Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:02 pm to slackster
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His point turns to shite. You literally have to watch him kneel rather than stand for it to be "pushed in your face."
... Is it that hard for you to imagine that someone tuned in, saw it, then decided to stop watching to prevent politics from being shoved in their face?
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This entire thing is comical. The selective patriotism is my favorite part.
The selective outrage is my favorite part. By the players own logic the police are sexist against men too...
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:03 pm to slackster
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Let me make sure I understand this kind of retort - police brutality cannot be criticized/protested against until black on black crime is solved?
If I remember correctly, black on black crime has a severely higher death count, so in that sense I would be much more for that type of thinking. Though police brutality isn't a race issue IMO, as much as other people want to make it that way.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:03 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
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What does that have to do with the original premise of the protest though? It was never about the military to begin with.
It shows they picked a very poor way to protest their objective.
They have a lot of people talking. But nobody is talking about police brutality.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:05 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
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What does that have to do with the original premise of the protest though? It was never about the military to begin with.
Just seems like an easy deflection from the issue that was presented.
I agree. Address the claims being presented. This was about police brutality. I'm unsure why they're deciding to protest during the anthem, unless they think that America itself is systemically racist (very likely based on how progressives view things).
Even looking at what they're complaining about, police brutality, the statistics do not back their claims.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:06 pm to Azkiger
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... Is it that hard for you to imagine that someone tuned in, saw it, then decided to stop watching to prevent politics from being shoved in their face?
A guy knelt rather than stand. Do you see how absurd it is to label that as "throwing politics in your face?" I'm not sure why everyone has to be such a drama queen about this - the players included.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:06 pm to Rebel
The point the article made was that it is illegal for the Government to pay the NFL to bring out the players and make them stand for the National Anthem, flag ceremony, etc, all funded by the govt and enacted by the owners for profit.
I think Reid is being thoughtful and respectful and that he is motivated by the same convictions and concerns for freedom from oppression, and equal rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The NFL could simply revert to bringing the teams out after the anthem and avoid the whole DOD taxpayer-funded circus.
I think Reid is being thoughtful and respectful and that he is motivated by the same convictions and concerns for freedom from oppression, and equal rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
The NFL could simply revert to bringing the teams out after the anthem and avoid the whole DOD taxpayer-funded circus.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:09 pm to Rebel
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It shows they picked a very poor way to protest their objective.
They have a lot of people talking. But nobody is talking about police brutality.
Kapernick and the 49ers were pretty clear about it, but when it became a movement across the league, the message was muddied pretty quickly.
I agree that it's become a mess at this point.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:09 pm to slackster
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A guy knelt rather than stand. Do you see how absurd it is to label that as "throwing politics in your face?" I'm not sure why everyone has to be such a drama queen about this - the players included.
Dozens of players knelt, essentially calling America systemically racist, but its no big deal because slackster happens to agree ideologically with that claim.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:12 pm to Azkiger
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Dozens of players knelt, essentially calling America systemically racist, but its no big deal because slackster happens to agree ideologically with that claim.
Not at all.
It's no big deal because it is kneeling. That's it. They're not preaching to you. They're not going on some rant. They're kneeling while other people stand.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:18 pm to slackster
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Not at all.
It's no big deal because it is kneeling. That's it. They're not preaching to you. They're not going on some rant. They're kneeling while other people stand.
My issue isn't the act of kneeling, my issue is the time in which they're choosing to kneel and the message they're trying to send by kneeling.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:22 pm to Azkiger
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My issue isn't the act of kneeling, my issue is the time in which they're choosing to kneel and the message they're trying to send by kneeling.
I guess I separate the two. I think being upset with their message and being upset with their actions are two different things. The only part you see on Sundays is the action. The message isn't being thrown in your face.
But look, to each their own. I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just expressing my opinion on the subject.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:23 pm to slackster
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Kapernick and the 49ers were pretty clear about it,
His statements may have been clear but the way he chose to protest was a very poor one. His actions did not follow his narrative.
The NFL could have very easily put an end to all of this nonsense in week 1 by simply enforcing their usual policy of no protest or promotions.
Remember Jim McMahon and his head bands?
But the NFL being fearful of being labeled "racists" allowed it to happen. Then our President speaking like a business owner instead of like President added fuel to the fire.
The way I see it, everybody is wrong. Except the fans. They are the customer.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:23 pm to slackster
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It's no big deal because it is kneeling. That's it. They're not preaching to you. They're not going on some rant. They're kneeling while other people stand.
Ehh, it's more than "just" kneeling; otherwise they wouldn't still be eliciting this amount of responses. Just because an action seems trivial doesn't make it such. I really do wish they'd find a better way to protest then doing something during a national ceremony.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:24 pm to HurricaneTiger
I wish it wasn't shown one way or the other. Prior to last year, I can't remember seeing an anthem on TV outside of the playoffs.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:25 pm to slackster
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Let me make sure I understand this kind of retort - police brutality cannot be criticized/protested against until black on black crime is solved?
No, some people are just scratching their heads at the allocation of attention.
It'd be a bit like us swapping the allocation of research funds between breast cancer and the common cold. Sure, both need to be addressed, but there is an elephant in the room.
Honestly the allocation of attention/outrage on this issue leads me to believe the only lives black lives matters care about are the black lives they can use to call white people racist.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:25 pm to Run DMC
I'm a disabled vet and I don't respect him anymore for doing his protest on Veteran's Day. Shame on him!
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:31 pm to Azkiger
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No, some people are just scratching their heads at the allocation of attention.
It was a valid criticism - police brutality/militarization is a problem. Unfortunately, CK is a terrible front man for the cause due to his other asinine actions (Castro, socks, etc), and it took a racial direction rather than a general brutality/militarization message.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:32 pm to slackster
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I wish it wasn't shown one way or the other. Prior to last year, I can't remember seeing an anthem on TV outside of the playoffs.
Pretty sure they've been televised for a while now, but maybe not for all games. Could be wrong though, haven't watched too many games this season.
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:35 pm to Run DMC
frick Eric Reid. Loved the guy when he played at LSU but he has turned into an unpatriotic arse clown in San Francisco. You can't blame it on him being gullible in some way either since he is reportedly a smarter-than-average guy. Makes it worse that he's intentionally insulting the flag and country.
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