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Old Money
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O didn't say that. Hanny did.


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Gravitiger
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Is Emery/his attorney asking for "special treatment" from LSU? In other words, are they asking LSU to bend a rule?
For example, if Emery wanted LSU to let him withdraw from a class after the deadline instead of keeping the bad grade on his transcript, he would be asking LSU for special treatment as a football player that a regular student might not get.

If Emery is asking the NCAA to bend a rule or make an exception, it's not the case of him seeking special treatment a normal non-athlete student wouldn't receive. The NCAA doesn't have anything to do with non-athlete students.
He is currently in good academic standing with LSU, like any other non-athlete. LSU has treated him like every other student. This has nothing to do with special treatment at all. You're just babbling about nonsense.
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Havoc
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LSU showed me zero leniency or emotion. I even wrote an essay and got all my papers signed by my professors on why I should be allowed to withdraw from school past the drop date and they still denied me. I had to accept what ever grades I got for the rest of the semester.


Were you a starter?


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damn, could someone just post a fricking link around here?



you want a link to a live radio show? are you that fricking lazy?


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rmnldr
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Emery is a dumb human being.



I’m a friend of one of John’s first cousins.

He’s also a cousin of Pooka Williams as a side note.

First off, frick you in particular.


The stuff being said about John is terrible and I wish the mods would start whacking the people shitting on him.

No one is perfect. John is far from perfect and he knows that. But ffs lay off the dude. He’s been through a lot lately and was working hard to have a good year and now it looks like his future goals and dreams are being snatched from him. He’s as disappointed about his situation just as much as y’all are. He knows he isn’t living up to his 5 star billing.


BrerTiger
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re: emery's attorney just on finebaum
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Is Emery/his attorney asking for "special treatment" from LSU? In other words, are they asking LSU to bend a rule?


Exactly.

This is a NCAA eligibility issue.

We have zero info as to whether LSU did anything special or not special for Emery with regards to any of his grades. It sounds like he probably dropped too many classes. Hell, I dropped too many classes one semester down to part-time status and lost my job at Middleton because you had to be full-time. Next semester I was able to come back because I was full-time again and thus *eligible*.

You can be in good enough standing with the university to continue taking classes (as appears to be the case with Emery) but lose privileges to do other things (like your eligibility to play football or have a student job).


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vl100butch
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re: emery's attorney just on finebaum
based on listening to his attorney...

any wagers that the NCAA caves quicker than the LSU BOS taking Middleton's name off the library?


Gravitiger
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He’s been through a lot lately and was working hard to have a good year and now it looks like his future goals and dreams are being snatched from him.
They aren't "being snatched from him." That kind of language makes it sound like he is some passive victim of an unfair system, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Instead, his goals and dreams are simply more difficult for him to achieve now, largely due to his own behavior. Most people who put themselves in this situation would not have their university footing the bill for the best attorney available, either.

He might actually have to work hard to achieve something that matters to him now, which he has never been asked to do before.
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lsugradman
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I will say given what I know about Emerys situation and Arik Gilbert’s situation, the fact that Gilbert was going to be eligible and Emery wasn’t is a freaking travesty. Absolutely absurd.


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lostinbr
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I think he does, but for his grades. I wasn’t trying to play football. I was just wanted to wash the semester and start over next.

I honestly don’t know why you can’t do that. Again, I paid tuition. No scholarships.

The thing you keep missing is that he has to meet progress-toward-degree requirements, not just the GPA requirement. Athletes have to earn at least 40% of the credit hours required for graduation by the start of their third year in order to be eligible per NCAA requirements. That means in order for Emery to be eligible (without a waiver) he has to have 48 credit hours toward his degree by fall of 2021.

If he failed classes (or dropped classes) due to hardships, it doesn’t matter whether LSU let him retroactively drop or gave him an incomplete. Sure, it helps his GPA. But “washing the semester and starting over next,” as you said, doesn’t change the fact that the NCAA requires him to have 48 credit hours toward his degree by the start of fall 2021.

That’s why NCAA hardship waivers exist - to waive the progress-toward-degree requirement if a player experienced a hardship that set them back. From what I understand, the NCAA was handing out these waivers like candy at the height of the COVID lockdowns.

Emery and LSU probably expected the waiver to be granted because he was making up significant ground and he had, in their view, mitigating circumstances. The NCAA disagreed, so here we are.
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That’s why NCAA hardship waivers exist - to waive the progress-toward-degree requirement if a player experienced a hardship that set them back. From what I understand, the NCAA was handing out these waivers like candy at the height of the COVID lockdowns.


One would hope Emery's lawyer has some data on that as well as anecdotes out the arse attesting to all the hardship waivers they handed out.


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BrerTiger
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Most people who put themselves in this situation would not have their university footing the bill for the best attorney available, either.


Who said anything about LSU footing the bill for Emery's attorney?

Are we just making shite up now?


Gravitiger
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That’s why NCAA hardship waivers exist - to waive the progress-toward-degree requirement if a player experienced a hardship that set them back. From what I understand, the NCAA was handing out these waivers like candy at the height of the COVID lockdowns.

That's not why NCAA hardship waivers exist. That process is about transfer eligibility.


Gravitiger
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Who said anything about LSU footing the bill for Emery's attorney?

Are we just making shite up now?
No, we are speaking from a position of knowing what we are talking about. Schools can legally pay for student-athletes' legal fees to fight the NCAA to remain eligible. You think the Emery family is paying for this on their own when they don't have to? You think LSU is hanging him out to dry to the tune of about $500/hour and the family isn't saying so?
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lostinbr
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That's not why NCAA hardship waivers exist. That process is about transfer eligibility.

https://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-academic-waivers
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The NCAA requires Divisions I and II student-athletes to make appropriate annual progress toward earning their degrees. This progress is measured in several slightly different ways in the two divisions, including credits earned toward a degree and minimum grade-point average requirements.When Division I or II student-athletes fall short of these academic requirements, an institution can pursue a “progress-toward-degree” waiver to restore eligibility for competition. To qualify for such a waiver, institutions must document the mitigating circumstances that caused the deficiency. A common circumstance is a student-athlete facing a serious medical issue or other personal hardship.

There are different types of hardship waivers. Yes, there are hardship waivers for transfer eligibility. There are also hardship waivers for academic eligibility.


Gravitiger
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There are different types of hardship waivers. Yes, there are hardship waivers for transfer eligibility. There are also hardship waivers for academic eligibility.

You are right. I was wrong.



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CottonWasKing
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re: emery's attorney just on finebaum
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I doubt it works. Really opens up Pandora’s box for thousands of athletes who may not have a valid claim



That’s the whole point of the appeal. According to the lawyer tons of student athletes with similar or lesser circumstances received hardship waivers when Emery did not.

The inconsistency of the NCAA is on display once again.


TBoy
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re: emery's attorney just on finebaum
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So he fricked off in school and he should just be given leniency?


Covid year was incredibly difficult for school aged people. Slack should be the rule, not the exception.


Gravitiger
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That’s the whole point of the appeal. According to the lawyer tons of student athletes with similar or lesser circumstances received hardship waivers when Emery did not.

The inconsistency of the NCAA is on display once again.

There we have it. Case closed.

What is the deadline to apply for these waivers? What are the requirements an SA must prove (key word here) to get a waiver?
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Lptigerfan
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re: emery's attorney just on finebaum
But Moscona said this was all O"s fault.


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