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re: Ed O’s recruiting classes were 5th, 4th, and 3rd, who will match that?

Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:32 pm to
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:32 pm to
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Was miles great at okie state? I don't remember him being an ace recruiter before he got to LSU


I’ll answer your question with a question. Was LSU a great recruiting school before Saban and Miles arrived?
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:51 pm to
Well I won't deny that saban made lsu into a juggernaut and a cool place to go.

Keep in mind kids committing these days only know the lsu from 2003 forward...really 2010 forward. They don't know the 90s like we do.

And any way, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the candidate list isn't going to have anyone that isn't at least an above average recruiter.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19841 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:32 am to
And he developed none of them
Posted by StadiumDormRat'72
BR,LA
Member since Sep 2012
2942 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 4:02 am to
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LSU leads the nation with most top 10 wins since 2017.


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This was a ? On cbs a few wks back , even the college gurus got it wrong .... The answer was LSU 13 , bama / Georgia 9



Jesus H Christ, all you miserable shits are downvoting this? Can't stop slobbering Nicky's knob to take a little pride in something positive about the team you're supposed to root for?

FFS, we fired the guy already, so you don't have to be a damn sheep and automatically shite on anything good we've done in the last 5 years-
I read that statement and I'm proud of our team- does that mean we can't do better? Or should we ignore losses we should be won? No, but hey don't count us out, and don't hope we lose so you can shite on the coach....
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 4:34 am to
People say LSU recruits itself, which is true in part, but it takes an elite recruiter to take it to that next level and get nearly ALL the kids to stay home, especially when Bama and ATM are at the level they are now. UT and OU joining will bring even more competition.
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4941 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:00 am to
Look at Ed's first two classes. A high percentage of these guys never hit the field at LSU and many are gone because of discipline issues.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54586 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:05 am to
id take lesser rated classes if theres more development. O failed at developing a lot of that highly rated talent especially on the O line. The fact that theres not a true SEC center on the roster is insane.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 5:07 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37559 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:09 am to
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Was LSU a great recruiting school before Saban and Miles arrived?


Dinardo signed some elite classes but hired the wrong defensive coordinator.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54586 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:15 am to
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Was LSU a great recruiting school before Saban and Miles arrived?
dinardo had a ton of talent come through the program while he was here
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:45 am to
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People say LSU recruits itself, which is true in part, but it takes an elite recruiter to take it to that next level and get nearly ALL the kids to stay home


Wow, thank you, this guy gets it. Yes, part of the reason is LSU and the other critical draw for recruits is the coach LSU hires.

Miles could recruit plenty of quality Olinemen but not enough quality QB’s. nor linebackers until Aranda ariived. After Miles left, O couldn’t get enough quality Olinemen to come here, and he couldn’t get enough quality linebackers after Aranda left. But O could draw in plenty of quality QB’s.

So you see LSU fans, it does matter a lot who LSU hires and how well he and his staff recruits. For example, Kiffin would definitely bring in quality QB’s and athletes on offense but will he and his staff be able bring in enough quality defensive players?
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 5:48 am
Posted by JR
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2005
1215 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:57 am to
Just as important as X's and O's, you gotta be kidding.

This is where all the idiots are wrong, you can win championships with 3 & 4 star recruits coached properly, proper roster management, and proper game planning. Les and Saban both did it here.
Posted by TrueTigerTale
Zachary, La.
Member since Sep 2011
19318 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:02 am to
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This is where all the idiots are wrong, you can win championships with 3 & 4 star recruits c


No, but you can sign 3 and 4 stat players who turn out to be 5’s. There is not a coach in America that can teach a player speed. You recruit players that have it. End of story!
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:13 am to
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This is where all the idiots are wrong, you can win championships with 3 & 4 star recruits coached properly, proper roster management, and proper game planning. Les and Saban both did it here.


Alright idiot name a program that has won a NC since the playoff era started with 3 and 4 stars?

NONE

Every single winner has had a consistent top 5 recruiting class

Notre same
Iowa
Wisconsin

Those schools hit their ceiling with there 3 and 4 stars. They are consistent at winning 9/10 games but will never get over the hump because their play style is catered to lesser athletes.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
15250 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:15 am to
Well, the 2 coaches before him also did a great job. They also recruiting offensive linemen.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25211 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:48 am to
1.) 5* RB John Emery: hasn't done much at all since he got here, suspended
2.) 5* CB Stingley: Great freshman season, not so great SO season, and now he's injured
3.) 5* OL Kardell Thomas: has done 0 in 3 years, been injury ridden
4.) 4* OLB Marcel Brooks: great freshman season, lots of playing time, and then.... left?
5.) 4* S Maurice Hampton: lots of potential, and then.... left?
6.) 4* WR Trey Palmer: very underwhelming despite his few plays he's made on special teams and a few receiving TD's (expected way more at this point)
7.) 4* LB Donte Starks: dismissed from team
8.) 4* QB Peter Parrish: left team and had issues
9.) 4* DL Siaki Ika: left team because CEO rarely played him
10.) 4* OT Ray Parker: got in trouble consistently
11.) 4* RB Ty Davis Price: has been the only one with some plays made, but Corey Kiner has his number as a freshman
12.) 4* Devonta Lee: starting to maybe, possibly mesh now? Still not as productive as you would expect


stolen from the recruiting board just the 2019 class. O's recruiting is a myth
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 6:49 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37559 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:55 am to
His recruiting isn’t a myth. Almost every other school
In the country wanted those guys but he got them. What it appears he lacks is talent evaluation and player development skills.

He gets highly rated guys onto campus, but are they the right guys for what is needed or are they just the highest rated guys?
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 7:04 am
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25211 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:58 am to
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or are they just the highest rated guys?





i lean this way with O. he's a star watcher. oh he's a 5 star get him, ignore the 3 star
Posted by JR
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2005
1215 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:03 am to
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Alright idiot name a program that has won a NC since the playoff era started with 3 and 4 stars?

NONE


Clemson 2016, Einstein

2013 - 2016 only one top ten class, 2014. Looks like as many 3-stars as 4 & 5 star combined.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37559 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:07 am to
That team also had a transcendent quarterback with some elite skill players.

It’s more sustainable to build through recruiting 4* and 5* guys as they generally have a higher floor and ceiling.

However, player evaluations must take place and development is 100% needed.
Posted by joe2679
Member since Nov 2015
626 posts
Posted on 10/19/21 at 7:11 am to
And the Oline was still $hit
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