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re: Dwight McGlothern enters the transfer portal!!!
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:42 pm to ellis197575
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:42 pm to ellis197575
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I see lots of articles of players entering the portal, yet the better players are always going to various other schools, not many of the "better" players transferring IN TO LSU.
We got the top offensive lineman in the country and pulling in two starting SEC defensive backs and one of the top 5 QBs in the portal in Myles Brennan.
I don’t know where you get your news but you should look for a better source or maybe the problem is how you perceive the news.
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Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:47 pm to ellis197575
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So you really believe Orgeron brought in a lot of talented, bad character, low morals type of players?
I know he gave them too much freedom and not enough structure which let them feel like they could do what they wanted.
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Whatever CBK has been saying/doing has a lot of kids not buying into his approach. Some players have left for more playing time but some guys were starters or received a lot of time on the field. Could be nothing, just seems like there's more going on behind the scenes.
All that’s going on is BK laying the foundation for what his program expectations will be. No more inmates running the asylum.
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know LSU fans have always bragged about LSU recruiting itself, if true, it's no longer the case.
I guess you’re right. There’s nothing but scrubs on the current roster and the incoming class. Way to out yourself as a know nothing.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:47 pm to Lester Earl
People are going to have to realize a complete culture change overhaul isn’t going to be pretty early on.
You want that Bama culture and program mentality ? You need program guys to lay the foundation of beginning to hold each other accountable.
You want that Bama culture and program mentality ? You need program guys to lay the foundation of beginning to hold each other accountable.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:50 pm to BilJ
I don’t understand where these people come from that act like Kelly isn’t already building something. The staff is absolutely well crafted strategically for recruiting, development and game planning. Scrubs that got us .500 ball are leaving. QB of the future is locked in. A solid list of transfers already jumping on.
Seriously what are these people talking about that don’t see this?
Seriously what are these people talking about that don’t see this?
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:10 pm to BeeFense5
quote:I am a big O fan, but I am hardly sitting on BK. I am laughing at the BK fluffers who try to tell us that every player who leaves was a bad character / cancer who needed to be purged for some mythical new "culture".
Mmcgrath is a big O fan. He and pirate king shite on everything that Kelly does now because they are mad that O got sent packing to watch the cover bands at AJ’s
This is especially funny with you since you were the biggest Les Miles fluffer when he was here.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:15 pm to LilRhine
I remember this guy from UF game. Definitely looked like he was gonna be really good next yr.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:19 pm to ellis197575
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So you really believe Orgeron brought in a lot of talented, bad character, low morals type of players? Some...Yes. But you think that's the majority of players that either transferred or declared for the league earlier than they should've?
What are you talking about? There are times when it’s best to pass on a player due to character issues, but the real work is teaching discipline and developing character, responsibility and leadership in players once they get to campus.
O and his staff dropped the rope and stopped giving a shite after 2019 and we are seeing the results of that now. We have a team that lacks discipline, and you can’t win like that. Any player with that mindset is going to be shown the door and it sounds like that was the case with McGlothern.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:24 pm to GeauxLSU4
LOL you keyboard warriors are something else.
Listen, is there talent on this team...Yes.
Do you honestly think this team has the same...even NEAR the talent of Bama? Hell no!
UGA...another emphatical NO!
Even Texas A&M...Umm, no.
You don't OR SHOULDNT have a losing season with tons of "talent".
You DO NOT get better as a program by losing Stingley to the NFL, Ricks to Bama, Johnson to Texas A&M, Smith (top 100 player in 2021, #1 in MS), Price to the NFL, McGlothern ( so both starting CB's) Trey Palmer, Strong at LB (#1 JUCO prospect when recruited), Clark (starting and best LB) Flott, Farrell (top DT) not to mention Ingram.
Is that better? You don't lose that kind of talent and get "better"... so yes, lots of talent depleted and I guess you'll find out next year. You might want to get used to that Kansas St. footage. And before you say "we can just drastically improve via the portal", yea, ok. Right now, not much of the nations top CFB talent is lining up to come to LSU. The teams I named that have more talent than us, by a wide margin, just happen to be teams that are in our conference and are very relevant to us.
Listen, is there talent on this team...Yes.
Do you honestly think this team has the same...even NEAR the talent of Bama? Hell no!
UGA...another emphatical NO!
Even Texas A&M...Umm, no.
You don't OR SHOULDNT have a losing season with tons of "talent".
You DO NOT get better as a program by losing Stingley to the NFL, Ricks to Bama, Johnson to Texas A&M, Smith (top 100 player in 2021, #1 in MS), Price to the NFL, McGlothern ( so both starting CB's) Trey Palmer, Strong at LB (#1 JUCO prospect when recruited), Clark (starting and best LB) Flott, Farrell (top DT) not to mention Ingram.
Is that better? You don't lose that kind of talent and get "better"... so yes, lots of talent depleted and I guess you'll find out next year. You might want to get used to that Kansas St. footage. And before you say "we can just drastically improve via the portal", yea, ok. Right now, not much of the nations top CFB talent is lining up to come to LSU. The teams I named that have more talent than us, by a wide margin, just happen to be teams that are in our conference and are very relevant to us.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:56 pm to mmcgrath
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every player who leaves was a bad character / cancer who needed to be purged
This is the part I’ve been laughing it through all of this. Sounds like this kid just has to grow up a little. Doesn’t sound like some terrible character. But of course, “frick that guy he’s a cancer we don’t want him here” blah blah blah.
This board has done this with every player who either transferred or didn’t sign with LSU.
By the way, the players aren’t the problem. Orgeron was the problem. All the other top schools deal with this shite, but Orgeron let it get out of hand cause he is an idiot and not suited to lead a program.
They just had something on ESPN about that incredible Miami Hurricanes team from early 2000’s and that shite was out of control. Those dudes were nuts. Coaches weren’t even allowed in the players area/locker room.
Florida St. and Auburn won recent championships with criminals at qb. The problem is LSU had someone in charge that is worse than the players.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:00 am to BeeFense5
quote:I will throw you a fig leaf here. Kelly is building a solid staff in several areas. The only area that I criticize there is that he is largely clearing house even in the support staff, young people who are all LSU and predate Orgeron by many years.
I don’t understand where these people come from that act like Kelly isn’t already building something. The staff is absolutely well crafted strategically for recruiting, development and game planning. Scrubs that got us .500 ball are leaving. QB of the future is locked in. A solid list of transfers already jumping on.
Seriously what are these people talking about that don’t see this?
Before McGlothern I wasn't really worried as the transfers weren't surprising with a major coaching change, but this one hurt and news of the support staff getting cleared out is troublesome.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 12:07 am to mmcgrath
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I am a big O fan
Thanks for admitting you’re ok with LSU having it’s first losing season this century as long as O is the coach.
Most other O fans aren’t willing to admit that. You’re basically saying you don’t care if LSU succeeds as long as O is the coach.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 12:10 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 1:01 am to SeekGreatness
quote:If O was supported as Coach, we would have won the bowl game and possibly one other. Plus we would have had 25 recruits looking to add 7 others.
Thanks for admitting you’re ok with LSU having it’s first losing season this century as long as O is the coach.
Most other O fans aren’t willing to admit that. You’re basically saying you don’t care if LSU succeeds as long as O is the coach.
Now Kelly can be a good coach. But if he isn't looking to coach these kids and wants to burn everything down, that is on him.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 1:55 am to mmcgrath
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If O was supported as Coach, we would have won the bowl game and possibly one other
Nonsense. He was the one driving the bus for the last two years. The results speak for themselves. He never made it to the bowl game and he looked pretty disinterested in it when he bolted after the A&M game.
I supported him, as probably many did, after he was made permanent HC, reluctantly. We got to 2018 and I was like, "ok... ok..." we get to 2019 and I gave him credit for almost everything, even though that wasn't the case. I'm not saying he did nothing as far as recruiting goes but as far as being a good HC and roster management, he was pretty bad.
After that, the wheels came off and I reluctantly wanted to give him credit but honestly I couldn't. He continued to drive this program into the ground without a thought of how his decisions would affect the program.
I don't wish any ill will on the guy but I'm glad he's gone. To say "if we supported him" is looking away from his faults as a HC particularly after he got to the precipice.
How dare Kelly apply some rules and make the players follow those rules.
This post was edited on 1/12/22 at 2:07 am
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:03 am to ellis197575
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You don't OR SHOULDNT have a losing season with tons of "talent".
Yet that is EXACTLY what happened last season. LSU was probably 4th in the SEC in overall talent level. Did that show on the field? I wonder why that is?
Coaching and discipline matter. You can’t win without them, even if you have talent. If you don’t understand that, then you aren’t worth talking to.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:06 am to la_birdman
If a kid can’t handle being disciplined because he was 2 minutes late for a meeting, he is mentally weak. The culture change in essence is right there. The little things you do or don’t do set the tone for the program. Being late will have consequences. Accept personal responsibility for your actions and correct it yourself. Don’t expect the rules or rule makers to bend for you. The lack of personal responsibility is what lead to 2020 and 2021. O did not have discipline or personal responsibility in his own life or as it related to his team. Ex: Hours before the UCLA game he is on Rodeo Dr with his side piece while players are in scooters. Say what you want, but what mindset do you expect the players to have about a game when you allow the us to occur. They certainly won’t take their assignments or the opponent seriously. It’s a little thing, but those little things have to change.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:08 am to landrywasbeast30
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This is the part I’ve been laughing it through all of this. Sounds like this kid just has to grow up a little. Doesn’t sound like some terrible character. But of course, “frick that guy he’s a cancer we don’t want him here” blah blah blah.
He’s not a cancer, but when you have a couple of guys who aren’t buying in during a complete overhaul, they are going to be shown the door sooner rather than later. It sounds to me like McGlothern is just immature, but it was time to grow up.
If he and Palmer didn’t respond to the changes, then that’s still on them.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:16 am to LilRhine
Tiger bait, that's all...
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:22 am to misey94
quote:What does Palmer have to do with anything?
If he and Palmer didn’t respond to the changes, then that’s still on them.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:32 am to LilRhine
Bye. Two transfers coming him one of whom is better than him. I expect more DB's to come in from the portal. Hopefully Ward moves to CB where he belongs and players such as Jones, McGee, Burns, Davis, Ryan, Toles, etc. become quality players.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 6:44 am to misey94
quote:Indeed. For anyone who doesn't like the "taste" of this overhaul, just look at what Pittman did with Morris' team. And I'll note- continues to do.
Coaching and discipline matter. You can’t win without them, even if you have talent. If you don’t understand that, then you aren’t worth talking to.
It does matter. SEC Example #1 is R-Kansas. Guys like McGlothern matter. But here's how I look at it:
- If a player, any player, will transfer or force the coaches hand over a) a repeated error and b) relatively minor punishment that player's ceiling is lowered. No matter the talent level, it is diminished. And if trying to raise that ceiling back up through buy-in and discipline results in the player transferring then we need to replace the ceiling he departed with.
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