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Does the success of WBB add or remove pressure on MBB?

Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted by EPORE
BATON ROUGE
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:31 pm
I can see it both ways, but ultimately I think with WBB winning the Natty and building a powerhouse team under CKM, CMM probably gets a little more of a honeymoon to build similar. I can also see the theory that since WBB has risen so quickly, the MBB team needs to keep pace...thoughts?
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
13407 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:33 pm to
Make a list of all the coaches Woodward has hired at LSU. Mark their team accomplishments since arriving.




You’ll notice one does not fit with the others.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
59157 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:34 pm to
It’s a distraction from mens basketball which is in the toilet and isn’t coming out anytime soon.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:35 pm to
It should add some pressure but McMahon needs to have at least a decent year this upcoming season. I just don’t see it
Posted by subidc
CharlestonSC
Member since Nov 2019
3311 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:37 pm to
It only puts more pressure on the men’s basketball coach. I will say since Woodard hired him he is gonna get time to turn it around though. Once the NCAA makes its ruling he will get a couple of years to recruit. Not knowing the outcome is hurting him in recruiting.
Posted by pitchandcatch27
Huntsville,AL
Member since Jul 2018
3137 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:37 pm to
Yes...Just think if they both sucked.
Posted by EPORE
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2005
918 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

You’ll notice one does not fit with the others.

I totally agree here. I really wanted to keep Wade honestly over CMM, surprised Woody didn't snag someone that had already won a Natty. Can CMM win it all?? remains to be seen.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
41094 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

can also see the theory that since WBB has risen so quickly, the MBB team needs to keep pace...thoughts?
Well, the WBB program did get the benefit of hiring a championship winning coach. I'm not sure there's much to compare there.

That said, if everyone around you is winning and you're not, obviously the focus will be on you.
Posted by John cocktoasten
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2018
396 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:39 pm to
What kind of question is this??
MM’s love muscle shrinking by the day
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
63297 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:43 pm to
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Make a list of all the coaches Woodward has hired at LSU. Mark their team accomplishments since arriving. You’ll notice one does not fit with the others.


Make a list of the coaching resumes of the coaches Woodward hired before they got LSU. One doesn’t belong.

Whoever thought it was a good idea to fire Will Wade did not understand where LSU men’s basketball stands in the national hierarchy. You weren’t going go get a better coach than what you had. And the fan base was behind him.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted by hughfreezehotline
Member since Jan 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:45 pm to
Dude is about wreck shop in the southland make the tournament 2-3 yrs straight and be right back at Lsu. With NIL he doesn’t have to cheat anymore, he’ll just ask Gordon M.
Posted by EPORE
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2005
918 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

Whoever thought it was a good idea to fire Will Wade did not understand where LSU men’s basketball stands in the national hierarchy. You weren’t going go get a better coach than what you had. And the fan base was behind him.


This 100%....Wade was the right guy, had built momentum, could recruit studs, and had us on track to contend for a title. Period
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8880 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:53 pm to
It's cheaper to win in WBB. NIL money goes further and coaching salary is much easier to pay for the best coach in the country.

I wish it put more pressure on MBB, but I don't think it has any impact.

We are not going to pay a top coach and we certainly don't appear to have the NIL money to compete for top talent on the men's side. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it bothers the decision makers enough to get motivated.

quote:

Once the NCAA makes its ruling he will get a couple of years to recruit.


That's not how this works anymore. You don't "build" a roster over time. You have to rebuild your roster every year and the NCAA investigation has little to no impact on our ability to build a roster this year. What does impact our ability is the fact that we either (1) don't have the NIL resources to compete or (2) are not using the NIL resources we have in the best way possible. I think its actually both, we don't have a big enough bag of NIL money and from what I understand, we aren't scaling payouts based on talent.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 2:59 pm
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
19619 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:54 pm to
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Mark their team accomplishments since arriving.




You’ll notice one does not fit with the others.


You could mark their team accomplishments (particularly postseason) BEFORE arriving and that same one still doesn't fit.

Mulkey - multiple titles and an additional Final Four
Johnson - multiple Omaha appearances
Kelly - multiple playoff appearances with a BCS title appearance

MM - made tourney twice: 1st round exit and 2nd round exit
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
11101 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 2:59 pm to
Look at South Carolina. Womens basketball has 0 to do with mens basketball
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
9787 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 3:22 pm to
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We are not going to pay a top coach and we certainly don't appear to have the NIL money to compete for top talent on the men's side


Then explain to me how Ole Miss, who has less than half the amount of NCAAT appearances that we have in their entire history and only 1 Sweet 16 ever, can hire Chris Beard? We definitely can pay a better coach and get players here.
This whole “LSU can’t compete in MBB” myth is BS and has been disproven many times under multiple coaches.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted by dalmond
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
227 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 3:42 pm to
Added. A ton of pressure added. He has an impossible job.
Posted by hughfreezehotline
Member since Jan 2022
377 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 3:46 pm to
Bruh that’s what Ole miss is famous for paying guys more than what they actually deliver. We pay Kiffin 9 mill to lose 5 out of the last 6 last year. Bianco 1.6 + incentives to go either 500 or choke in the supers. And Chris beard 3.25 who hasn’t even coached a game in the Sec yet. It’s just what we do
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8880 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 4:26 pm to
I never said we CAN’T do it, I said our current administration is not going to do it. I completely agree that we could hire a top coach and could dedicate NIL resources to MBB. I don’t think the decision makers care enough about it.

Using the Chris Beard situation is an extreme outlier. He was on the coaching rehab tour and that is the only reason he goes some place like OM. Same can be said for Auburn and Bruce Pearl. However both Auburn and OM have made significant commitments to basketball, not just with coaches, but also facilities. I think LSU is capable of making similar commitments, but don’t think the leadership is interested in doing it.

Hell, we had a coach getting us to the NCAAT annually and competing at the top of the conference, and the admin was waiting for its opportunity to get rid of him. Then we replaced him with a coach that is making a salary that puts him in the bottom 1/2 of the league. Again, lack of commitment to succeeding.

Goes back to original statement. For a much cheaper price, this administration would rather put the resources into WBB.
This post was edited on 5/5/23 at 4:29 pm
Posted by ellessuuuu
Member since Sep 2004
8880 posts
Posted on 5/5/23 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

This 100%....Wade was the right guy, had built momentum, could recruit studs, and had us on track to contend for a title. Period


Yep. Wade did it despite the athletic admin. Took him using his own money because he couldn’t get support.
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