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re: Does everyone realize there was no spike?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:34 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:34 pm to JPLSU1981
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That said, it's certainly obvious that it's possible to NOT get a play off, because indeed in the 2009 LSU-Ole Miss game, the refs called the game before the snap.
no they didn't .. the clock doesn't start on the snap .. you do realize this .. right ?? after a first down, the clock stops for the chains to move, as soon as the ball is set for play .. the clock starts .. not on the snap .. the FG unit should have been standing on the sideline BEFORE the 4th down play and run on immeidately .. should have been lined up and ready before the football got there .. then snap it the instant it is put down on the whistle .. instead, jefferson's looking over at the sideline .. the kid should have seen :01 on the clock and known he couldn't clock the ball in that spot .. last night wasn't his first football game ..
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:35 pm to JPLSU1981
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Definitely. It also could have only been .4 on the clock as well...
no ... because then the clock would have read :00 ..
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:35 pm to igoringa
Take a deep breath... everything will be Ok.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:36 pm to JPLSU1981
What everyone is missing is that despite the fact that timout should have been called after the horrific call to Ridley on the swing pass in the flat for a 7 yard loss, Lafell caught the hail mary and hit the ground with 3 seconds left. First down stops the clock so we would have had time to spike the ball and have two maybe 1 second left with the clock stopped. Plenty of time for FG team to run on, get set snap and kick the winning FG, assuming a good snap, hold and kick. Mississippi has had to set their watches back one second when entering Louisiana. Now they no longer have to do that because we are even.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:36 pm to TigahRag
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no ... because then the clock would have read :00 ..
the clock in the stadium? It doesn't have decimals. When it reads 1, it can be anywhere from .1 to 1.9.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:38 pm to JPLSU1981
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the clock in the stadium? It doesn't have decimals. When it reads 1, it can be anywhere from .1 to 1.9.
no, man .. if there is .4 seconds on the clock, it is going to read :00 .. in hoops it would read :00.4 ... the last second on the clock doesn't encompass 2 whole seconds .. come on ..
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:39 pm to POBIII
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What everyone is missing is that despite the fact that timout should have been called after the horrific call to Ridley on the swing pass in the flat for a 7 yard loss, Lafell caught the hail mary and hit the ground with 3 seconds left
nah, i think you are missing the fact that tolliver caught it and there was :02 left when he hit the ground .. the play doesn't necessarily end the second he hits the ground .. it is on the referee's whistle .. watch any college game and one or two seconds are going to run off the clock when a guy hits the ground ..
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:40 pm to TigahRag
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no they didn't .. the clock doesn't start on the snap .. you do realize this .. right ?? after a first down, the clock stops for the chains to move, as soon as the ball is set for play .. the clock starts .. not on the snap .. the FG unit should have been standing on the sideline BEFORE the 4th down play and run on immeidately .. should have been lined up and ready before the football got there .. then snap it the instant it is put down on the whistle .. instead, jefferson's looking over at the sideline .. the kid should have seen :01 on the clock and known he couldn't clock the ball in that spot .. last night wasn't his first football game ..
I'm not sure what you're getting at... We didn't get a play off. As soon as they set the ball ready for play, they start the clock, and then you can snap it. We did not snap it before they whistled the game over.
But anyway, it's pointless to go back and forth on this because I do agree with Polar that despite us not getting the spike off, the spike was called by someone, which is inexcusable.
I wasn't making a "major" point, I just wanted to point out that the last play never happened. Many casual fans may think we actually spiked the ball, which did not actually happen.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:43 pm to JPLSU1981
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I'm not sure what you're getting at... We didn't get a play off. As soon as they set the ball ready for play, they start the clock, and then you can snap it. We did not snap it before they whistled the game over.
what i am getting at is the outside possibility that there was :01.7 or so left on the clock .. you snap it the instant you hear the whistle ..
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I wasn't making a "major" point, I just wanted to point out that the last play never happened
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Many casual fans may think we actually spiked the ball, which did not actually happen.
sounds like you are trying to make a major one to me ..
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:48 pm to TigahRag
I thought it was Lafell, but stand corrected as I was so pissed. However, you are wrong about when the clock is supposed to stop. From a practical standpoint, the clock operator is usually late, but technically it is supposed to stop when the runner, in this case receiver, is down. In college, he cannot get up and run once he is down. Even it was 2 seconds, we would have had time to spike the ball leaving enough time with the clock stopped for the FG unit to do their job.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 7:52 pm to JPLSU1981
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wasn't making a "major" point, I just wanted to point out that the last play never happened. Many casual fans may think we actually spiked the ball, which did not actually happen.
You are simply looking for anything to deflect from your 'fantastic' coach. Epic fail yet again.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:06 pm to Geauxtiga
It was called piss poor management on so many levels it's unbelievable.
First you get the 1st down at the 31 with over 50 secs and 2 TO's. That's when the total ClusterFk started and it started with Crowton and ended with Miles.
Again, RUN THE F'N BALL. Your kicker has already made a 50 yder.
But, we don't. Instead we drop our QB back on a 7 step drop with sack prone QB that plays behind a sack prone OL. PURE GENIUS FROM THE WIZARD.
Then you get the sack and call a TO. The coach has to tell his team that if the play doesn't result in a 1st down and the player is tackled in the field of play, everyone call TO. We don't, C.Black misses a block and Ridley gets tackled. No TO for over 17 secs, UNBELIEVABLE unless you've seen Miles coach. Then you get the TO.
9 secs, so there is only 1 play, Hail Mary. Again as a coach you have to do 2 things. Get your ST ready in case what happens, happened. Tell your offense that if the ball isn't in the end zone and we catch it, run up to the ball and be ready to run a play. One or the other. We do none of it.
There was no contingency plan for Miles. He thought the ball would be thrown to the endzone. Problem was, as usual, JJ got hammered with pressure and couldn't fully get into the throw.
It was pure buffoonery for the last minute. Mark it down, because yesterday was the beginning of the end for Les Miles. The fans will not forgive this unless we're SEC West Champs next year, which I don't see happening. He's a nice guy and decent coach. So was Dinardo.
We won't buy him out, but if Alleva and LSU want NC's, then they need to send Les packing.
First you get the 1st down at the 31 with over 50 secs and 2 TO's. That's when the total ClusterFk started and it started with Crowton and ended with Miles.
Again, RUN THE F'N BALL. Your kicker has already made a 50 yder.
But, we don't. Instead we drop our QB back on a 7 step drop with sack prone QB that plays behind a sack prone OL. PURE GENIUS FROM THE WIZARD.
Then you get the sack and call a TO. The coach has to tell his team that if the play doesn't result in a 1st down and the player is tackled in the field of play, everyone call TO. We don't, C.Black misses a block and Ridley gets tackled. No TO for over 17 secs, UNBELIEVABLE unless you've seen Miles coach. Then you get the TO.
9 secs, so there is only 1 play, Hail Mary. Again as a coach you have to do 2 things. Get your ST ready in case what happens, happened. Tell your offense that if the ball isn't in the end zone and we catch it, run up to the ball and be ready to run a play. One or the other. We do none of it.
There was no contingency plan for Miles. He thought the ball would be thrown to the endzone. Problem was, as usual, JJ got hammered with pressure and couldn't fully get into the throw.
It was pure buffoonery for the last minute. Mark it down, because yesterday was the beginning of the end for Les Miles. The fans will not forgive this unless we're SEC West Champs next year, which I don't see happening. He's a nice guy and decent coach. So was Dinardo.
We won't buy him out, but if Alleva and LSU want NC's, then they need to send Les packing.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:09 pm to igoringa
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You are simply looking for anything to deflect from your 'fantastic' coach. Epic fail yet again.
That's exactly what I was doing.
Also, It'd be nice if you added one productive comment to any thread, which I have yet to see.Get a fricking life and quit following me around. You're being weird.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:14 pm to JPLSU1981
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Does everyone realize there was no spike?
I do and agree with you. What people seem to misunderstand is that the real problem was with letting the clock get down so far *before* the attempted spike.
And it's worth pointing out that most of the fans calling for Miles' head didn't realize that during the game either.
Fact is, pretty much everyone thought that with 4th and 26, you either make it to the endzone or that's it. Nobody thought that someone would make a first down and *not* get in the endzone.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:30 pm to POBIII
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Lafell caught the hail mary
i thought it was TT...i don't want Lafell to get credit for his shitty play
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:31 pm to foshizzle
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Fact is, pretty much everyone thought that with 4th and 26, you either make it to the endzone or that's it. Nobody thought that someone would make a first down and *not* get in the endzone.
this isn't really an issue if we call timeout with 23 seconds left instead of running it down to 9
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Fact is, pretty much everyone thought that with 4th and 26, you either make it to the endzone or that's it. Nobody thought that someone would make a first down and *not* get in the endzone.
do these fans get paid over 3 million a year?
Posted on 11/22/09 at 8:56 pm to drizztiger
this game is over dead, gone, just like the head coach should be
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 9:01 pm to JPLSU1981
Also, if we do not onside kick the ball in the 1st half there is a chance Ole Miss does not score on that drive. Instead we gave them great field position.
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