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re: Does anyone feel there are only two possible outcomes to the Ed O experiment?
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:17 am to rrboy
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:17 am to rrboy
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Maybe because you're a miserable fan
I know you think this is a snarky, cute insult. However, let’s really examine this. What do you mean by it, and do you really think I’m miserable? If so, why?
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Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:22 am to DocBugbear
I agree with you but I hate what's behind door number 3. 
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:24 am to X123F45
They are the same two outcomes for every coach: win and you keep your job or get a better one; lose and you get fired and find something else.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:28 am to X123F45
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Greatness or shittiness. There is no opportunity for mediocrity.
No
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:35 am to X123F45
all coaching hires are an "experiment". and there are THREE possible outcomes (or more) depending on one's definitions of success. the word greatness implies multiple sec titles and one or more national titles with multiple trips to the playoffs. nick saban and urban meyer are the only two that I would put in that category. the chances of orgeron being in that group are pretty damn slim but so are almost every other coach in America, including fisher and herman.
shittiness is defined by many as anything not reaching the greatness plateau (at least on this board). orgeron's first year was better than 2 of saban's five years at LSU and there have been lynch mobs forming.
no, mediocrity is probably where orgeron will fall. at least if an objective definition is used (which will not be by many on this board). imo, he will fall between 8 and 10 wins a year with the possibility of more or less.
orgeron's in game coaching is much smoother than les miles and more organized. but we have lost some games we should have won; both our offense and our defense (a la notre dame) have failed at critical times. this has not been mentioned on here but if he doesn't improve that one factor he will not win titles. I offer florida last year and notre dame (or even troy) this year. miles pulled damn near every win out of his hat and orgeron needs to start winning those close games.
shittiness is defined by many as anything not reaching the greatness plateau (at least on this board). orgeron's first year was better than 2 of saban's five years at LSU and there have been lynch mobs forming.
no, mediocrity is probably where orgeron will fall. at least if an objective definition is used (which will not be by many on this board). imo, he will fall between 8 and 10 wins a year with the possibility of more or less.
orgeron's in game coaching is much smoother than les miles and more organized. but we have lost some games we should have won; both our offense and our defense (a la notre dame) have failed at critical times. this has not been mentioned on here but if he doesn't improve that one factor he will not win titles. I offer florida last year and notre dame (or even troy) this year. miles pulled damn near every win out of his hat and orgeron needs to start winning those close games.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:37 am to X123F45
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Does anyone feel there are only two possible outcomes to the Ed O experiment? by Rando
Greatness or shittiness. There is no opportunity for mediocrity.
I guess it depends on how you define mediocre.
Honestly, I think mediocre 7-9 wins would be the most likely outcome.
I don't see where any logical person could think "greatness" is more of a possibility than under any other coach recently.
I do see how "shittiness" looks to be in play.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:41 am to TNTigerman
Y'all try a Tide pod lately?
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:44 am to X123F45
Yes.
Outcome A: Failure
Outcome B: Failure
Two Options.
Outcome A: Failure
Outcome B: Failure
Two Options.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:45 am to la_birdman
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I'd be surprised if he makes it through this coming season.
LSU will not fire orgeron in 2018 unless he completely falls apart and loses the team.
I can tell you have no experience "running the show". the big picture is what the powers look at (as they should). if LSU is competitive and has a winning record he will get one more year at least. if you don't know why this is then you don't need to enter the discussion.
AND, get ready for this: if LSU wins 9 or more this year he will get an extension on his contract, mainly for recruiting purposes. that is way top football programs are handled. that is, more on a longer term basis than one year. it is cost prohibitive to fire a coach every year which is pretty much what some fans want to do. there were fans that were not happy at all about nick saban's performance until he won the natty. he had 3 years of "mediocre" performance and Dinardo left him with a talented team that, like orgeron, needed to be supplemented to win it all.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 8:59 am to X123F45
The entire problem with this situation is that the program was a lock every year to win 9 games.
Most programs and fan bases would be ecstatic with those results. However, comparative to what we've seen the program is capable of combined with the amount of talent we know we get here at LSU, we understand that 9 wins without making conference championships, one of the big bowl games or the playoffs is below expectation and below what the goals of this program are.
When you fire a coach, the expectation is that you will see improvement going forward with the new hire. LSU basketball is a prime example. Will Wade is getting the benefit of the doubt for multiple reasons: 1) He is very visibly changing the culture of LSU basketball. 2) He is showing improvement from what was a VERY bad LSU basketball program with a terrible coach. 3) LSU fans can see and feel the future being bright based on his actions. Will Wade's window for success is massive. Even simply making the tournament is something fans will accept as a success going forward in the next 2 years.
Ed Orgeron took a job that does not have that window. LSU football was not bottom tier, had/has top notch talent and is a national power (arguably now). It's not like he's taking a team that was bottom of their conference winning 4 games a year to winning 9. Ed Orgeron MUST at a MINIMUM have LSU in the SEC championship game on a regular basis to even remotely be thought of as a success. Otherwise, he is a lateral hire, winning 9 games, playing in mid tier bowl games, and underachieving equally as the last coach did during the final parts of his tenure.
Most programs and fan bases would be ecstatic with those results. However, comparative to what we've seen the program is capable of combined with the amount of talent we know we get here at LSU, we understand that 9 wins without making conference championships, one of the big bowl games or the playoffs is below expectation and below what the goals of this program are.
When you fire a coach, the expectation is that you will see improvement going forward with the new hire. LSU basketball is a prime example. Will Wade is getting the benefit of the doubt for multiple reasons: 1) He is very visibly changing the culture of LSU basketball. 2) He is showing improvement from what was a VERY bad LSU basketball program with a terrible coach. 3) LSU fans can see and feel the future being bright based on his actions. Will Wade's window for success is massive. Even simply making the tournament is something fans will accept as a success going forward in the next 2 years.
Ed Orgeron took a job that does not have that window. LSU football was not bottom tier, had/has top notch talent and is a national power (arguably now). It's not like he's taking a team that was bottom of their conference winning 4 games a year to winning 9. Ed Orgeron MUST at a MINIMUM have LSU in the SEC championship game on a regular basis to even remotely be thought of as a success. Otherwise, he is a lateral hire, winning 9 games, playing in mid tier bowl games, and underachieving equally as the last coach did during the final parts of his tenure.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:02 am to LSU GrandDad
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I can tell you have no experience "running the show". the big picture is what the powers look at (as they should). if LSU is competitive and has a winning record he will get one more year at least. if you don't know why this is then you don't need to enter the discussion.
Then why fire Miles?
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:13 am to X123F45
I feel there is a chance to be mediocre or bad.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:25 am to X123F45
I fear the only outcome is mediocrity and people are cool with it
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:27 am to LSU GrandDad
Did you just fricking compare the 3 win team in talent to the 9/10 win team and 10 years of top 10 recruiting with most NFL players that Miles left Orgeron.
You have lost your mind.
Nobody was pissed that Saban took us from 3 wins to a peach bowl in 1 year. We were not happy about losing to UAB that was it.
Nobody was pissed about our first Sugar Bowl in many many years and 10 win top 10 spot the next year.
Thats mediocre?
The only down year under Saban was 2002. Where we had Marcus Randal because we lost our QB for the year.
You need to get checked for Alzheimer’s.
You have lost your mind.
Nobody was pissed that Saban took us from 3 wins to a peach bowl in 1 year. We were not happy about losing to UAB that was it.
Nobody was pissed about our first Sugar Bowl in many many years and 10 win top 10 spot the next year.
Thats mediocre?
The only down year under Saban was 2002. Where we had Marcus Randal because we lost our QB for the year.
You need to get checked for Alzheimer’s.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:30 am to X123F45
The sooner everyone can just realize he is not a good coach and that LSU will not contend for even the West for the next 2-3 yrs, the better off we’ll all be.
This is not going to end well for us. Never was from day 1 when O, a former magnificent SEC loser head coach was given a job he never qualified for.
This is not going to end well for us. Never was from day 1 when O, a former magnificent SEC loser head coach was given a job he never qualified for.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:35 am to rattlebucket
The same outcomes as any other coach:
Success or Failure
no more no less
The only difference is how each school defines
Success and Failure in any given year
Success or Failure
no more no less
The only difference is how each school defines
Success and Failure in any given year
Posted on 1/20/18 at 9:44 am to X123F45
quote:he was already defined as a coach. See Ole Miss.
The grand experiment will define him as a coach.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 10:13 am to X123F45
Every coach either succedsbir fails. o is no different.
Posted on 1/20/18 at 11:20 am to X123F45
Miles was better than average. A touch better than average is 10 wins
We are given 3-4 wins per year. You just got to split the rest
O will give us years of 8-9 wins. Then we will slide to 7-5 type years until we fire him.
A monkey can win 6. I still predict O wins 6 next year and is given a chance for a third. This is where he fricks us. Doing just enough to not be fired for 3 addtl years
We are given 3-4 wins per year. You just got to split the rest
O will give us years of 8-9 wins. Then we will slide to 7-5 type years until we fire him.
A monkey can win 6. I still predict O wins 6 next year and is given a chance for a third. This is where he fricks us. Doing just enough to not be fired for 3 addtl years
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/20/18 at 2:03 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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In the long run this looks good as well as O will leave, Aranda will take his place, Corey Raymond will likely be named DC, and Aranda will likely hire a quality OC (maybe Briles).
quote:No. No link. Aranda has been told he'll get first look if we get a new HC, and the one thing the administration seems to understand is that we can't let Aranda go. I have faith that Aranda is smart enough to make good hires, but of course that is no guarantee.
Got a link that backs up this theory?
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