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re: Do you know people that still think Les Miles "sucks"?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:33 pm to Lloyd Christmas
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:33 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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Very few coaches get an opportunity like Miles did
And even fewer coaches have the ability to keep a team moving forward in the elite direction like Miles has.
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:35 pm to dukke v
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OK. Miles has a GREAT RECORD, But Saban SET the cuboard for him. FACT.
So how do you keep that momentum going for 7 years? That's right, by being good.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:37 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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And even fewer coaches have the ability to keep a team moving forward in the elite direction like Miles has.
Maybe so, but there is not a significant sample size to determine who is right or wrong. Miles walked into one of the best situations in the history of college football.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:42 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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Maybe so, but there is not a significant sample size to determine who is right or wrong
Really? There aren't a high number of teams that were elite for a period of time (no matter how short or long)only to fall into medicority?
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Maybe so, but there is not a significant sample size to determine who is right or wrong. Miles walked into one of the best situations in the history of college football.
I think this might be a little bit of an opinion possibly.
It is also irrelevant, he has still been able to keep the program at elite status, and quite frankly, i would say higher status than when Saban left.
He still has to pull in recruits, he still has to win games, he still make decisions and Saban isn't making those decisions anymore and hasnt been for quite some time.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:42 pm to dukke v
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OK. Miles has a GREAT RECORD, But Saban SET the cuboard for him. FACT.
The why wasn't Saban able to keep LSU at the top of the mountain the year after the 03 National Championship? He went 9-3 in '04 then Miles won 11 games each of the next 3 seasons and 5 out of his 7 here. How do you know Saban would have outdone what Miles has done in that stretch?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:48 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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Its not a ridiculous assumption that most SEC coaches could have similar success if they were taking over a Saban-made program at LSU. Miles doesn't suck, but you cant say that he didnt start out with a ready-built elite program. Very few coaches get an opportunity like Miles did, and Miles hasn't squandered the opportunity.
Here is the problem. You and the other negative guys that have posted on here are underestimating Miles. None of us who support him think he is infallible, even though you accuse us of thinking so. Many of us are VERY knowledgable about the game and we see his mistakes AND his successes and keep them in perspective and balance.
You on the other hand see only the mistakes and give the credit for his successes to Nick Saban! NICK SABAN 7 years later? Can you find me some examples of a BAD coach that fell into a program somewhere that had been set up for success so well he couldn't mess it up?
Bill Curry at Bama? Gerry Faust at Notre Dame? Ron Zook at Fla? Coker at Miami? What you are talking about makes you seem so naive about the game that it makes all your other opinions invalid. I've given YOU some examples...can you give me ONE example of a BAD coach that went to a top program and KEPT them there and improved it?
You can't be consistently good using mirrors. IF THE TEAM IS GOOD, THEN THE COACH IS GOOD! That is a rule in CFB. IF LSU under Miles had been a one shot wonder, then maybe you would have a case. Seven years of excellence leaves only one conclusion...and its not the conclusion that YOU and your brother negas have come to. You have your own agenda and no amount of logic can sway you.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:49 pm to brownjuco
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Really? I took two courses of English in college...lol. I screw up all of the time. I was in a hurry. Thank God for Microsoft Word. Engineers are known for their Math skills retard....did I use it correctly that time?
Wow, you made a mistake? You must not be a very good mechanical engineer then...
Bottom line, he has made some bad decisions...but he is a great coach and to say otherwise is ignorant...
why isn't Saban considered an average coach when he lost to UAB, or that horrible coaching call that cost us the Iowa bowl game, or the almost loss to Troy?
The reason he isn't considered average is because his results indicate otherwise...his reputation is not forever dragged down by some poor decisions...
for some reason there are a bunch of 'tards who continue to bash Miles for no other reason other than he is not Saban and it is just stupid.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:50 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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And even fewer coaches have the ability to keep a team moving forward in the elite direction like Miles has.
And I give him TONS of credit for that. TONS. LSU can stay near the top for many years with Miles. I would never say he SUCKS. Anyone that does that IS NOT a major College coach is a total IDIOT.He IS a top 5 coach right now. IMO I put him at #2.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:50 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Maybe so, but there is not a significant sample size to determine who is right or wrong. Miles walked into one of the best situations in the history of college football.
I think this might be a little bit of an opinion possibly.
NO. THIS IS FACT.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:51 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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The why wasn't Saban able to keep LSU at the top of the mountain the year after the 03 National Championship? He went 9-3 in '04 then Miles won 11 games each of the next 3 seasons and 5 out of his 7 here. How do you know Saban would have outdone what Miles has done in that stretch?
Great point. In the early years, you could argue that Miles did a better job with "Saban's players" than Saban might have. And not just anyone could've maintained it this long, either.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:52 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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Miles won 11 games each of the next 3 seasons and 5 out of his 7 here.
Its called coming in to a great situation. Miles has kept it up for the most part. Good for him AND LSU fans.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:54 pm to Thunder Tiger
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you could argue that Miles did a better job with "Saban's players" than Saban might have.
I STRONGLY disagree here. The Move to the Dolphins was in the works the whole 04 year.
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And not just anyone could've maintained it this long, either.
Tough call there.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:55 pm to dukke v
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Its called coming in to a great situation. Miles has kept it up for the most part. Good for him AND LSU fans.
Doesn't explain why Saban lost 3 games (including shitting the bed in the Capital One Bowl) the year after he won the '03 NC and the year before Miles won 11 games in '05.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 5:57 pm to The Ramp
quote:how did he handle this poorly? he played both when they were needed. oregon st.- russell has to come in & win the game when randle was struggling. florida- russell threw 2 pics early & lsu was down 14-0, saban makes a change & randle leads lsu for a comeback victory. miles would have never made a change at QB to change things up no matter how bad a QB is struggling
not too mention the poorly handled QB fiasco of the 2004 season
quote:what is this about?
or him getting the nfl and college rules mixed up in the 2003 NC game. but les miles haters conviently forget this.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:01 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Really? There aren't a high number of teams that were elite for a period of time (no matter how short or long)only to fall into medicority?
No, there aren't a high humber of teams who walked into a program at the very top of college football AND the only relevant school in a state loaded with talented recruits and a university/city that is crazy about football.
To his testament, he could have messed it up, and he didn't. But I don't think that it is reasonable to assume that a different qualified coach would have done worse in his situation.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:05 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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Doesn't explain why Saban lost 3 games (including shitting the bed in the Capital One Bowl) the year after he won the '03 NC and the year before Miles won 11 games in '05.
Miles did a great job with a team that was a year older.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:09 pm to lsuexpert57
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and its not the conclusion that YOU and your brother negas have come to. You have your own agenda and no amount of logic can sway you.
I guarantee there are just as many irrational "posi-tigers" as there are irrrational "nega-tigers" on this board.
I am not even arguing whether he is good or not, I was just backing up another poster and saying the "record" argument is flawed because Miles walked into a dream scenario, while other coaches had to build the program.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:13 pm to lsuexpert57
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Seven years of excellence leaves only one conclusion
08-and 09 disagree with excellence. 2010 was a good year record wise but they could have very easily been 7-5. Think about it.Just sayin.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:15 pm to dukke v
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OK. Miles has a GREAT RECORD, But Saban SET the cuboard for him. FACT.
It's far easier to start a powerhouse than it is to maintain one. Also it's not like LSU was elite every year with Saban. LSU lost Atleast 3 games a year except once.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 6:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's far easier to start a powerhouse than it is to maintain one
Probably about 100 Division I programs disagree
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