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Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:00 am to
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
854 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:00 am to
I don't want 4 more years, but 1 more year would reduce the buyout to about $5M, because several of the assistants' contracts expire in 2027, and the rest in 2028. Only CMM's contract is through 2029.
Posted by jlbasm
Aledo, TX
Member since Oct 2010
4955 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:04 am to
Men’s basketball makes money off of conference alignment at the point. Think Vandy football = coattail riders. Before another dollar goes into that program you fire MM. once that’s done, you hire a coach. If it takes the promises, make them. I’d personally like to see an arrogant up and comer that says I’ll get there without them, but you guys seem convinced that can’t happen so we’ll let that slide. As far as upgrades, not a chance until you win something.
Posted by ForeverLSU5
Member since Mar 2019
2273 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:06 am to
For anyone who is doubting he will be fired. He is 100% fired this season. Quite literally the only way he comes back is if LSU gets in the NCAA Tournament which is almost impossible at this point.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
8759 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:13 am to
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For anyone who is doubting he will be fired. He is 100% fired this season. Quite literally the only way he comes back is if LSU gets in the NCAA Tournament which is almost impossible at this point.


Good to know. What a relief. I saw this morning that there is a 9% chance we will make the tournament. If we lose tomorrow, I would imagine that falls to about 3% or so.

The day this loser is finally cut loose from this program will be a great one.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:46 am to
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It was a bad idea to give CMM a 7 year contract, but that's the reality. If it was my money, I wouldn't pay the $10M buyout. I would use that money to get the best talent, and I would still save millions.


Not liking the 7 year term brings in a bit of hindsight bias. LSU was under investigation at the time AND MM had other options....which means he had some degree of leverage on those negotiations. That was probably a compromise within the negotiations.

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but 1 more year would reduce the buyout to about $5M, because several of the assistants' contracts expire in 2027


Dupree's and Patrick's contracts expire in June of '28. Long and Walden expire this year. William's contract is the only one that expires in '27. So if you keep MM for another season he is going to have to either renew the contract for the 2 expiring assistants or hire new ones. What caliber assistants do you think will come to LSU on a 1 year (likely) lame duck deal?

Basically, kicking the can down the road saves about $2M on MM's buyout and roughly $1.5M in not having to buyout the other assistants of don't have expiring contracts....ALL to bring back a HC with the worst 4 year record in the league during that period under the baseless assumption (hope) he's going to be great with a different roster.

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I would use that money to get the best talent, and I would still save millions.


Purportedly, LSU spent significantly more money on the roster this year. That's what LSU said it was going to do. That's why they kept MM. That's what the MM fan club said happened. In the offseason this was the best roster in MM's tenure (for the 3rd year in a row, mind you)!! Yet again, for the 3rd time in 4 years, LSU sits at 1-7 in SEC play.

So the solution is to give the HC who has never won in four seasons even MORE money?! To what end? That he'll be able to get 8, 9, 10 SEC wins with a ridiculously expensive roster?

If takes having zero adversity AND a payroll comparable to the NY Knicks just for a HC to make the NCAA Tournament...don't think maybe a better ROI would be just to replace the HC?

Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10586 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 11:52 am to
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If we have the money, I'd prefer to rebuild the program with the best coach we can afford, but my contention is that if we have to pay CMM's buyout, we're going to be worse next year. I also contend that with superior talent, CMM will win. The NIL was increased this year, but not enough to get superior talent than other SEC teams. It's about making the prudent decision until the buyout doesn't truly light the program on fire.

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Lapaz

You are a legitimately stupid person. There is nothing else to be said about this.
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
12320 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:24 pm to
Is Bryce drew an option? I see his contract is affordable and has small Louisiana ties.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
854 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:26 pm to
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So the solution is to give the HC who has never won in four seasons even MORE money?! To what end? That he'll be able to get 8, 9, 10 SEC wins with a ridiculously expensive roster?

If takes having zero adversity AND a payroll comparable to the NY Knicks just for a HC to make the NCAA Tournament...don't think maybe a better ROI would be just to replace the HC?


We know DJ is being well compensated. I've seen reports that he is getting about 2M, and I believe that we did increase the NIL, but it will be even more ridiculously expensive to the program to fire CMM this year, if we want to hire someone competent. Instead of paying for a more expensive roster, we'll just be burning money for the buyout. For a fraction of the buyout, say $4M more NIL, we could get 2 more star players to play along with DJ. Those players will probably be able to get their own buckets regardless of the coach. I'd be all in on firing CMM if the buyout weren't so large, but since it is, I think the best course of action is another step up in the NIL. We may fire him, but it will be ridiculously expensive to the program to avoid throwing away next season.
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
12269 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 12:31 pm to
Well guess what, if we hire a competent coach and go on a run in the NCAAT it pays for itself
Posted by EPORE
BATON ROUGE
Member since Mar 2005
1094 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 1:59 pm to
The decision to keep or fire CMM should not be based on the buyout. Essentially, we would have a lame -duck coach that nobody, including the players, would respect or have any confidence in. In my opinion, this is a no-brainer to let him go. The conversation then shifts to getting the right coach in place who may potentially take less up front and allow for a strong NIL budget to kick start his season. It can be structured with lots of incentives to make up for it. Especially if the new coach is BFFs with the LSU President and Gov Landry...these conversations are already taking place. The General is coming back.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3317 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:21 pm to
Mcloser would have problems winning the SEC with the 85-86 Celtics l. Keeping him for another year is yelling out loud you don't want to compete!
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
10583 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:25 pm to
Lap you aren't getting it, if you gave this guy 15 mill in NIL a year.... he aint winning. He is no good. It happens. Any money spent with him will be waisted money.


Its like you hire a maid and she doesn't know how to mop, but to fix that you buy her a new car.

Its nonsense my friend!
Posted by lsudave1
Baton Metairie
Member since Jan 2005
12269 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:25 pm to
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Is Bryce drew an option?


If that's the other choice then we may as well just keep McMahon. Bryce Drew went 0-18 in the SEC at Vanderbilt with multiple future NBA players on the roster. His overall SEC record at Vandy was 16-38 over 3 years (sound familiar)? I don't care that he has done well at the mid major level, so did MM. Some coaches are not cut out to coach in a power conference.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
32588 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:26 pm to
Bruce Pearl doesn’t want to coach again. If he did he would have never left Auburn.

It’s looking less and less likely Wade will leave a school where basketball is #1 on the totem pole.

Beard won’t pull a Kiffin.

Id go find an energetic young guy that can excite and recruit but also be a great X’s and O’s guy.


McMahon is about as exciting as mushy white rice
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35609 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 2:44 pm to
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Bruce Pearl doesn’t want to coach again. If he did he would have never left Auburn.


Agreed.

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It’s looking less and less likely Wade will leave a school where basketball is #1 on the totem pole.



Based on what? Wade is worried about his team this season. I wouldn't expect him to be considering leaving at this moment. Those discussions will occur in March. Unless, he signs a new contract before then, I don't think anyone can say if he is or is not likely to leave. I think, at best, we can say with a degree of confidence he will be a target for LSU.

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Beard won’t pull a Kiffin.


Beard is at Ole Miss because he was in need of a job...not because he had a burning desire to coach at Ole Miss. I think he would leave if the right opportunity presented itself. The issue is he's making $5M (per) and has a $4.5M buyout. I don't know if LSU's willing to pay ~$10M (for next season) just to get him. Of course, despite being a good coach, it would be entertaining to watch Ole Miss fans go into hysterics if LSU were to pants them by not only taking their best football coach in decades, but best basketball coach in decades too! Talk about a very clear statement of the status of each school in the marketplace

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Id go find an energetic young guy that can excite and recruit but also be a great X’s and O’s guy.


Well of course. Everyone wants that guy. Figuring out who he is and landing him is a whole different discussion.

I do also find it amusing that so many LSU basketball fans seem to place a lot of emphasis on who is or is not a good "x's and o's" coach without really knowing the first thing about an x or an o when it comes to basketball
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
854 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 3:50 pm to
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The decision to keep or fire CMM should not be based on the buyout. Essentially, we would have a lame -duck coach that nobody, including the players, would respect or have any confidence in. In my opinion, this is a no-brainer to let him go. The conversation then shifts to getting the right coach in place who may potentially take less up front and allow for a strong NIL budget to kick start his season. It can be structured with lots of incentives to make up for it. Especially if the new coach is BFFs with the LSU President and Gov Landry...these conversations are already taking place. The General is coming back.


If a coach takes less NIL upfront, then he won’t get any talent. That gives up on next season. When CMM had better talent at Murray St, he dominated the league. He has won some games with comparable talent. He hasn’t done well at LSU, and I would like to replace him too, but the buyout is a real obstacle that will affect us negatively unless we find benefactors. If those benefactors exist, where have they been?

He wouldn’t be a lame duck next year unless he kept losing.
Posted by Lapaz
Member since Dec 2018
854 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 4:01 pm to
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Lap you aren't getting it, if you gave this guy 15 mill in NIL a year.... he aint winning. He is no good. It happens. Any money spent with him will be waisted money. Its like you hire a maid and she doesn't know how to mop, but to fix that you buy her a new car. Its nonsense my friend!


That’s the key point where I disagree. He dominated at Murray St when he had better talent. He has won games against similar talent. He has also lost against weaker talent, but I think he still has less talent than most SEC teams. He probably will not dominate the league SEC, but I think it would cost us less to get the same number if wins with another coach due to his buyout. His buyout will still be substantial next year, but not crippling.
Posted by JR Hamilsbach
Member since Oct 2010
944 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 5:07 pm to
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For a fraction of the buyout, say $4M more NIL, we could get 2 more star players to play along with DJ.


Didn’t the AD and Woodward float the NIL excuse this time last year and it was supposedly solved to the level deemed acceptable financially? If we were at our willing limit to upgrade last year, why would they spend more this year? The record is the same so the problem wasn’t solved although we were told it was

I think this team is McMahons strongest yet and I believe they can win. I also believe they are disorganized and poorly/inconsistently motivated and so they are not playing to their potential. The team seems affected by an inability to win/self sabotage. The reason isn’t the improved roster isn’t good enough. The reason is McMahon appears to be outclassed consistently by other coaches, has poor feel for game decision making, is uninspiring or unable to motivate his players appropriately. I thought this was the year. The problem is McMahon doesn’t have the stuff. Maybe he is capable and lost his mojo, but him losing this year suggests he’ll Never win here. Put him out of his misery and let him go somewhere else. He’s probably depressed with how much of a failure he’s been with high expectations for success. He probably wants out of here as much as the fans want him gone.
Posted by slutiger5
Parroquias de Florida
Member since May 2007
12320 posts
Posted on 1/30/26 at 10:26 pm to
Okay, it sounds similar. But it’s not. Imo CMM never thought he would get that job offer, ever. I admire the attempt because the objective opinion wouldn’t change with 3 wins. Drew got it early and didn’t produce but is a pedigree. Thanks for your opinion though. CMM got hired because of sport priority and compensation. I only brought up drew because of salary, because lsu won’t budge on sport priority imo.

Love the general but don’t think it happens.
Posted by Pho Que II
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2024
52 posts
Posted on 2/2/26 at 1:25 pm to
Dearest Down Voters:
I am a WW fan. Great coach! Great promotor of the game. Would love for him to come back BUT I do not see it happening. Why? 1. requires big roster budget bump 2. requires significant buyout if happens end of season 3. requires much bigger coach admin and staff investment and 4. LSU will never commit that much $ to men's hoops. Sad facts and I hope I am wrong. Priorities are: football, baseball, wbb (any $8m annual budget drain) then mbb.
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