re: Did you want Saban fired after the '02 Arkansas game?

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That's correct...and he should be commended for it.

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You're right...i guess Lee should've been 2nd string.

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I can't express how dumb I think you are. I may not agree with I-59 a lot, but at least he brings a thought out point of view to the discussion.

You just throw stuff out and hope it sticks. It's like watching an episode of family guy.

This whole Saban vs. Miles thing, where someone either points out one game or one season (2004) ignores the idea of process completely.

Some of us don't look at a W-L record at the end of the year and ignore everything we saw during the year.

The issue right now is twofold, at least. One is that Ole Miss and Alabama are clearly ahead of us right now in the West. Miss St. is at least headed in the right direction, and if Arky beats us this week, that will be 3 years in a row. We have objectively taken steps backward in the past 2 years while every other team has moved forward pretty dramatically. With the quality of coaches right now in the West, it's reasonable to expect it to get more difficult in the coming years.

Secondly, what Miles did this past weekend removed all doubt about one aspect of his coaching abilities and threw serious doubt on his overall ability. More than affirming what so many of us have thought over the past few years, it shed a bright-arse light on it for everyone to see. That's what's so troubling. It's not just "nega-Tigers" that are talking about this. It was an amazing display of ineptitude.

You're excusing a loss to UAB because it was his 3rd game and a loss to Iowa on national television because, according to you, he didnt care anymore.

...and i'm the dumb one.

And i guess Miles was dumb for kicking Perriloux off the team too.

This isn't about Saban. He's gone.

This about Miles, and he needs to be gone.

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And you bring up Saban's 3rd game? This is why a lot of you Miles can do no wrong guys are complete sheep. You have no perspective on reality. None. Clueless.

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it was his 4th..and it was a terrible loss because we just got skull dragged by Auburn....yes we did beat Tenn the next week....but then beat like 41-10 against Florida.
then lost to an unranked Arky team when we were ranked.
his 2nd year..lost to Florida @ home 44-15
Ole Miss at home 24-35
3rd year
Blew out @ V-Tech
Blew out @ Auburn
Blew out Alabama home game
lost 4 out of last 6 games
4th year:
5th year: miracle choke job by OSU
16-45 @UGA
Mailed it in VS Iowa




..I'm not saying he wasn't great..he was..he brought us a NC...but how people can't admit he wasn't perfect is beyond me.

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Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. I'm sure that's hard for you to understand.

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No, you're just clueless.

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Because all top tier programs have Junior 5 stars just waiting to play.

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Again, throw it against the wall an see what sticks? Fool's logic. 5 star junior is the answer to out of place Harvard transfer and RS Frosh.

Your logic mimics that of a 1st grader.

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Saban took over a 4-7 and 2-8 (1-) program and led LSU to 4 straight New Years Day bowl appearances. Something LSU had never done prior or has since.

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Well according to you folks, unless its the NC game, it's a bullshite bowl.

Jon, it does no good here to post realistic assessments. Too many of these "fans" are obsessed with Saban and wouldn't like Miles if his teams won every game year after year. Some were griping about Miles after LSU won the national championship. They will never like Miles. Never.

I can accept that.

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Because all top tier programs have Junior 5 stars just waiting to play. Just ask Pete Carrol, Bob Stoops, or Jim Tressel.

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Actually Pete Carroll has a 5* named Mitch Mustain sitting on the bench.