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Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:51 am to GeauxTigers0107
He is quite headstrong, especially when he's flat out wrong. This is one of the reasons why people call him an idiot.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:57 am to NoGeaux
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If you knew Canada had issues at other places, shouldn’t have O? And if he did why hire a guy that has issues at, as you say, “several stops”? Kinda risky don’t ya think?
I wonder if Canada was forced on O by Alleva. You get the feeling that this was not the offense that O wanted from his presser after the A&M game. That being said he's been all over the place on what he wants offensively. We do know that he wanted Kiffin and when that fell through I think it's possible Alleva said this is your OC.
All speculation but it certainly undermines the HC. I would rather Canada stay and they find a way to work together; however, I think O needs to have an OC that he is comfortable with. Some HCs can still function effectively even if they conflict with their staff, but they have to be Saban or Meyer type guys. O is not and has to have that trust relationship. Either way, this situation needs to be resolved so the team can move forward.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:58 am to Choupique19
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O had one plan, and he convinced the powers that be that he would bring in Kiffin as OC. After that fell apart O didn’t know what to do.
I disagree. He promptly went out and identified and got a guy who was very highly thought of as an offensive coordinator. The only offensive guy nominated for assistant coach of the year that year. And he recruited him and was able to pry him away even though he had only been at Pitt for one season. It was a very good job by O. Now, whether it is a difference of philosophies, personality conflicts with O and other coaches, or he just feels like he didn’t get good enough production for the money, who knows, but it appears it’s not a good fit. It happens. But wouldn’t it be better to go ahead and correct the mistake instead of allowing it to continue?
I didn’t like the O hire. I was skeptical that it would be harder to recruit for himself than another, already established head coach. Jury is still somewhat out on that, but if we close with the guys we want, it looks promising. Secondly, though I felt he probably had a good reputation in the coaching community—you don’t get hired at Miami, Tennessee, USC twice, and LSU without good coaches thinking you can coach—I was skeptical that he would be able to recruit good coaches to come work for him, rather than with him. He seems to be doing a really good job of that as well, though. I’ve loved all his hires except the WR coach(which is still fricking terrible).
I’m still not sure exactly what he does during games except give the pregame speech, but my 2 biggest concerns seem to be somewhat alleviated. He is doing a nice job so far of running the program. I don’t know if he can win championships in the loaded SEC West yet, but so far I’m pleasantly surprised. As atrocious as the process to hire him was.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:02 am to Hot Carl
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I was skeptical that he would be able to recruit good coaches to come work for him, rather than with him. He seems to be doing a really good job of that as well,
Lol, yet after one year his main hire wants out and rumors circulated all season about them not being on the same page
You contradicted yourself trying to convince your self that o is doing a bang up job, he hasn't yet.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:07 am to BayouCowboy
Nothing is ever O’s fault, huh?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:09 am to LSUboudreau
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Please be Hugh Freez
Any program that hires him deserves everything they would have coming their way. Like an invitation to the NCAA to scrutinize everything a program is doing.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:10 am to dgnx6
No he did a decent job, but if he can't sort out the 10 year issue we have had at QB he will fail. He doesn't seem to be off to a good start in that regard. Going back to a pro-style attack is not the answer if he does that he again will fail. I am an LSU fan first, as long as the coach is making the right decisions I'll back him. I don't think running Canada off after one season is going to help O MLSUGA.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 8:11 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:10 am to Mo Jeaux
Looks like you are up early and primed for another wonderful day of O bashing. You do you woman. Never stop.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:11 am to Mo Jeaux
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Nothing is ever O’s fault, huh
Typical that you took my post as absolving O of responsibility. If my speculation is right it makes O weak which is a reflection on him. Maybe he did want Canada and then realized he didn't like the offensive style or Canada himself. We don't know.
I get that you lurk around every corner waiting to jump on the HC. That's fine, that's your thing. I'm trying to give an objective response which if you realize is actually not complementary of O at all.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:11 am to Mo Jeaux
Can O quit trying to recreate the USC offense? He's potentially running off not only a decent OC but a good QB developer. Brennan could have been elite under Canada. Football has changed and Canada has a modern way of moving the ball. Have fun dropping back with 3 steps and getting sacked by Bama 6x a game and being predictable.
Our offense was entertaining this year. So what if we run a lot of jet sweeps? Many have been explosive plays and helped win the Florida and Auburn games.
Our offense was entertaining this year. So what if we run a lot of jet sweeps? Many have been explosive plays and helped win the Florida and Auburn games.
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:13 am to TigerFanNKaty
Canada has been run off at his last several stops. I know though, that doesn't fit the agenda. Btw, DE isn't dual threat but if he is just halfway accurate deep against bama, Lsu wins on the road. The plays were there.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:14 am to TigersFan64
I don't believe it. The poster here that was eating the other day said his waitress asked Canada about his intentions. He said he just put in a pool at his house!
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:15 am to schwartzy
Why does Canada go one and done at almost every stop? Just asking. I know I won't get a legit answer. You have your agenda to uphold.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:15 am to Dave England
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Is he going to interfere with the next OCs gameplan like he did with Canada’s?
Isn’t all he did was tell Canada to cut out the pre-snap shifts for 1 half? When we’re breaking in a few freshman OL into the starting lineup? The horror.
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After the bama game LSU beat all 3 opponents by 20+ points.
All 3 of those teams literally fired their coaches this year and had long since given up on their season.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:19 am to dgnx6
So in your opinion, all on O. Canada, despite his long string of one and dones, is not even part of the problem. Got it.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:20 am to Nomojeaux
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So in your opinion, all on O.
With previous coaches, the buck always stopped at the HC. Why are we changing now?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:24 am to Nomojeaux
And Canada called those plays so there is that. And I am not part of the anti-O crowd at all. I don't bash O his seemingly indecisiveness on his offensive philosophy is an issue that will be used against him on the recruiting trail. We don't have a QB singed yet in this class and the rumors around that lack of philosophy and the OC aren't helping.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:26 am to Hot Carl
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Isn’t all he did was tell Canada to cut out the pre-snap shifts for 1 half? When we’re breaking in a few freshman OL into the starting lineup? The horror.
do you have any proof it was simply this? seems to me like it was quite a point of contention, enough for O to mention something in the week after the game that he was trying to tweak Canadas offense. sounds like more than just "no more pre snap shifts".
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Detillier says he believes Canada is out
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Is he going to interfere with the next OCs gameplan like he did with Canada’s?
Isn’t all he did was tell Canada to cut out the pre-snap shifts for 1 half? When we’re breaking in a few freshman OL into the starting lineup? The horror.
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After the bama game LSU beat all 3 opponents by 20+ points.
All 3 of those teams literally fired their coaches this year and had long since given up on their season.
so then why does Orgeron get credit for getting this team to "finish strong" but Canada gets no credit for the offense putting up points against these crappy teams?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:27 am to Nomojeaux
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Why does Canada go one and done at almost every stop? Just asking. I know I won't get a legit answer
That's not really an accurate statement.
1997 - Butler
1998-2003 - N. Illinois
2004-2010 - Indiana
2011 - N. Illinois
2012 - Wisconsin
2013-2015 NC St
2016 - Pitt
2017 LSU
That being said, 8 stops over a 20yr period does seem like quite a lot. Basically a new job every 2.5 years. I'm not sure how that average compares to other coaches.
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