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re: Detillier says he believes Canada is out
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:57 am to adamb2151
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:57 am to adamb2151
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1997 - Butler - Job upgrade
1998-2003 - N. Illinois - Job upgrade
2004-2010 - Indiana - Job upgrade
2011 - N. Illinois - Job upgrade
2012 - Wisconsin - Coaching Change
2013-2015 NC St - Job upgrade
2016 - Pitt - 1.5 million dollars
2017 LSU
He was fired at NC State
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:58 am to danfraz
Not sure why everything thinks Canada is the golden goose. We still had no intermediate passing game, no red zone passing game, nothing but deep balls, but we did a lot of shifts and jet sweeps, most of which didn't fool many SEC defenses. I won't complain if he stays because I think Brennan will be a stud regardless, but it isn't the end of the world if he walks.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:59 am to skullhawk
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He was fired at NC State
And he still ended up with a better job.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:00 am to adamb2151
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He was fired at NC State
And he still ended up with a better job.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:00 am to adamb2151
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He was fired at NC State
And he still ended up with a better job.
No
Pitt is not a better job than NC State. They are about equal. You can't spin that move. In fact, it's probably the biggest indicator that he's a pain in the arse to work with. He turned around their offense and the HC still wanted to get rid of him.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:00 am to sicboy
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We still had no intermediate passing game, no red zone passing game, nothing but deep balls, but we did a lot of shifts and jet sweeps, most of which didn't fool many SEC defenses
Our WRs sucked
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:03 am to Lester Earl
Starting to wonder about Mickey Joseph, honestly.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:04 am to timlan2057
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But that 1.5 million was supposed to make a difference, wasn't it?
I never said it would.
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You O-pumpers were hollering how the money would stabilize Canada. Now you want to crawfish out.
I never said it would, who said I'm an O pumper? Some of us arent just a bunch of retards spouting off at the mouth and whining like little bitches thinking we know more than everyone else.
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I and others have said repeatedly this Orgeron system is built on a house of cards and collapse.
Any business is built like a house of cards. If you're top employees leave you will definitely feel an impact. How fast you replace with an equal is very important. My concerns with O were squelched with how quickly he replaced Grimes with a quality NFL coach.
Your blind hatred is getting old. You sound like a kid that didn't get his way and is crying about it in the grocery store.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:04 am to Brageous
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Starting to wonder about Mickey Joseph, honestly.
I think his shortcomings were pretty clear when LSU had to go out and hire a guy to teach him how to coach the position at this level.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:06 am to Brageous
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Starting to wonder about Mickey Joseph, honestly.
Was talking to some friends about that, and they feel O isn't going to piss off the nola football community again by firing him already.
I say if that's the case, reassign him and bring in a legit WR coach.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to sicboy
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Not sure why everything thinks Canada is the golden goose
Couldn't the same be said about a portion of the fanbase regarding the HC?
I don't think Canada is the be all end all but I did like what I saw when it worked.
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we did a lot of shifts and jet sweeps, most of which didn't fool many SEC defenses
Really? LSU doesn't beat Auburn without those and doesn't even come close to Bama without some of Canada's style.
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I think Brennan will be a stud regardless
With who as OC? I mean that is some blind faith shite there brother.
I'd prefer Canada stay and let's see what he can do with Brennan after working with him a year but that will not happen is what it looks like.
Come on down some USC re-tread from 12-15 years ago. Or Ensminger.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to tigerfoot
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How do we know this?
O said it
So O said
"We already know the allowed to do their job part was compromised at one point"
or something to that effect?
Personally I don't care if O stays or goes. Or Canada for that matter. I'm just trying to figure out what is what.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:09 am to sicboy
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He was fired at NC State
And he still ended up with a better job.
One has nothing to do with the other.
Yes, they do. If he was fired and still ended up with a better or equal job, he must be desirable. You people shitting on Canada's resume to defend O are hilarious. Even if Canada does have a track record of being a malcontent (which he doesnt) it would still be Orgeron's massive mistake to hire him.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:12 am to danfraz
I think O and company probably think they can get Canada to quit by marginalizing him, but he's not giving up that salary without a better job. Too much money there.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:13 am to sicboy
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but we did a lot of shifts and jet sweeps, most of which didn't fool many SEC defenses.
All that motion is not really to "fool" the other team. People don't try to 'trick' SEC defenses (the occasional trick PLAY...but, not the main plan)
The motions DO:
1) Force the defense to think about their individual assignments and how they might change based upon the shift. Can't get comfortable until final alignment
2) REVEALS to the OL, QB, WRs, etc just what defense the opponent is in (Man, press, Zone - which type of zone etc)
3) Even if not "fooled"..these are college players. Sometimes, the safety (assume he has responsibility for the jet) does not get wide ENOUGH. He wasn't "fooled". He simply did not execute a part of his responsibility that made his job just a tiny bit more complex.
4) More difficult for the defense to change personnel based upon the offense. If OL shifts into unbalanced alignment and ends up with 2 tackles on one side....the defense may not be in personnel to handle the "heavy". Or, if they are "heavy"...Offense can run a more 'spread' style.
5) Makes the defense defend the ENTIRE width of the field. D players chase the ball no matter where it goes. THAT is why defense gets worn out and offense doesn't (on average).
6) Defense has to hesitate just a split second before committing. DE can't just crash down on the RB IF he has outside contain, etc
There are many reasons to run the motion. It is not my favorite offense. But "fooling" the defense is a very minimal part of it and is just a lucky happenstance more than the plan
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:13 am to sicboy
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no intermediate passing game
a RB had the 2nd most receptions. Foster Moreau was 3rd.
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but we did a lot of shifts and jet sweeps, most of which didn't fool many SEC defenses
except for like, you know, florida, auburn, ole miss, arkansas, tennessee, and texas a&m. just 6 of the 8 SEC teams LSU faced.
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I won't complain if he stays because I think Brennan will be a stud regardless, but it isn't the end of the world if he walks.
no , its not the end of the world, but it gives one cause for concern that the head coach can't check his ego enough put aside his personal beef with the OC.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:14 am to Tigertown in ATL
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So O said
"We already know the allowed to do their job part was compromised at one point"
or something to that effect?
O said he got involved in the game planning offensivly vs Troy in the first half. Where LSU did not score a point. Ed Orgeron said he got involved in the game planning that week.
The OC is the OC. Following the past rules of this board, when the HC invloves himself in the offensive game plan, that is not allowing the OC to do his job. Therefore we know that Ed O did not allow the OC to do his job that week.
You are welcome for the explanation.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:15 am to TigersFan64
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I'm guessing Coach O already has someone lined up to take over at OC. Apparently, Mike D. felt comfortable saying that before the early signing period, so my guess is that the commitments have already been told privately.
i "could" see it but you think some 17-18 year old could keep his mouth shut?.. i mean look at all the idiots telling the world they are sleeping with hot teachers... teenagers are idiots..
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:15 am to sicboy
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Was talking to some friends about that, and they feel O isn't going to piss off the nola football community again by firing him already.
And that worked out so well
Louisiana 2018 class:
Nola area has the 4,5,6, and 8 ranked prospects in the state. None are committed to LSU.
2019 class:
6,7,11, and 13. None are committed to LSU.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:20 am to Brageous
It was more a lack of talent then anything
Next year should be better as the younger guys we have are more talented
Russell Gage wouldn’t have played significantly on any corps the last 20 years or so, & Chark is better suited as a 3rd WR
Next year should be better as the younger guys we have are more talented
Russell Gage wouldn’t have played significantly on any corps the last 20 years or so, & Chark is better suited as a 3rd WR
This post was edited on 12/15/17 at 9:22 am
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