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Denbrock’s Route Tree
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:01 pm
I keep seeing people mention that one of the offenses main issues stems from Denbrock’s route tree. For those more knowledgeable on the subject, care to elaborate? Are the routes taking too long to develop? Does Denbrock not run choice routes in his offense that JJ and Burrow ran to perfection?
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:05 pm to TheRallyPossum
People are regurgitating buzzwords they’ve heard over the years. Watch the All 22 from Auburn. WRs are open everywhere. Daniel’s isn’t throwing the ball. Beating a guy by 2-3yds is open. Daniels seems to want his guys open by 10yds or more.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:09 pm to MightyYat
quote:He is gun shy and too worried about throwing an int. He needs have more confidence in his ability or it’s going to be a long season.
Watch the All 22 from Auburn. WRs are open everywhere. Daniel’s isn’t throwing the ball. Beating a guy by 2-3yds is open. Daniels seems to want his guys open by 10ths or more.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:11 pm to MightyYat
Pardon my ignorance, where could I find the All-22 tape from the Auburn game?
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:12 pm to TheRallyPossum
Frequently, not always, there are not QB friendly routes. Specifically, the QB has to change his eyes from one side of the field to the other instead of a small movement of the eyes to find the next guy in progression. Some of this is by design to leave the middle open for the QBs legs. I definitely think that the design could be more QB friendly and more routes need to be at various depths in the same area of the field - especially more in the middle of the field. This offense is a lot like a Les offense with a more talented QB.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:14 pm to MightyYat
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Watch the All 22
No thanks I’m good
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:15 pm to TheRallyPossum
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Pardon my ignorance, where could I find the All-22 tape from the Auburn game?
Good point. How the frick can you even see them from a regular broadcast? Answer: You Can’t
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:16 pm to TheRallyPossum
The branches on his Route Tree aren’t long enough.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:17 pm to MightyYat
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People are regurgitating buzzwords they’ve heard over the years.
yup. same with morons who keep saying read option when we do not run that. we run zone read.
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as if denbrock does not have man and zone beaters in each combo of routes. or routes that take the top off to open up underneath or combo routes to attack one player or part of field like flood concepts with hi-lo reads, curl-flats, seam-corner combos, etc.
MUH ROUTE TREE! HURR DURR!
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:20 pm to TheRallyPossum
Ignore the internet coordinators.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 pm to MightyYat
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WRs are open everywhere. Daniel’s isn’t throwing the ball. Beating a guy by 2-3yds is open. Daniels seems to want his guys open by 10ths or more.
I keep telling people we have a RB playing QB
But all these excuses keep coming
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:22 pm to TheRallyPossum
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Pardon my ignorance, where could I find the All-22 tape from the Auburn game?
It was on ESPN last Saturday
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:26 pm to TheRallyPossum
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Does Denbrock not run choice routes in his offense that JJ and Burrow ran to perfection?
are you serious? if JD is as scared as he is now to throw downfield and make reads and cannot do anticipation timing routes....WTF makes you think he can read leverage of defenders and lead these guys on choice option routes by WR's when they make their cuts based on defender leverage??
with all our current issues you really are asking for alot
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:27 pm to Hurricane Mike
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It was on ESPN last Saturday
Doubling down. Respectful I guess
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:28 pm to TheRallyPossum
From what I’ve gathered, most of Denbrock’s scheme is very reliant on good O-like play. Brought him in because Kelly liked his scheme (coached with him before) and Kelly is known for developing really good O-lines. We have had open receivers downfield, we just have a guy that is gun shy and is pretty shite and throwing the football regardless. That being said, this offense with Jayden Daniels and this O-line shouldn’t be an indictment of Denbrocks offensive scheme, this offense is patched together by freshman and a PAC-12 transfer QB. Just my take.
This post was edited on 10/5/22 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:39 pm to Fat Bastard
This is so absolutely true. The intricacies of what Brady, Burrow and co. did with route adjustments are way beyond what this dude can handle. JD actually throwing on time on basic routes has not happened the vast majority of the time and most likely will not happen. Nothing against the kid but I just don't see a drastic improvement over night. Hope I'm wrong for the team's sake and his.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:41 pm to burreauxsballz
Boils down to trust. Daniels, to this point, hasn’t trusted his guys to fight for contested passes. In the SEC most passes beyond 10 yards will be contested. Hopefully in the meeting with his receivers they convinced him to trust them to fight for and make the contested catches.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 9:50 pm to TheRallyPossum
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:10 pm to TheRallyPossum
The majority of people in here don’t know what a route tree is. It’s just a basic universal terminology designating a specific route to a number. Like a 9 route is a Go or a 8 route is a Post a 1 is your Out and your 2 is a Slant…and so on
There’s no special route tree a team uses. What they want to say is passing concepts. For example an Air Raid would use more shirt to intermediate routes while BK is synonymous with a lot of Vertical Seams concepts.
There’s no special route tree a team uses. What they want to say is passing concepts. For example an Air Raid would use more shirt to intermediate routes while BK is synonymous with a lot of Vertical Seams concepts.
Posted on 10/5/22 at 10:43 pm to MightyYat
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WRs are open everywhere
BS. Watched and charted every down on sky cast. There was no consistent pattern.
You see everything.
-some bad reads
-some bad passes
-some drops
-plays with no one open at all
-plays where pass protection broke down so quickly JD never had a chance to make a read, much less throw.
I went in thinking JD was the entire problem. After watching, it is only partly him. Reminds of Burrows first season when the scheme was so bad that his potential was never realized. (JD is not Burrow so it makes it even worse)
Denbrock needs to make some changes, JD needs to be more aggressive, and the receivers need to catch the ball much better than they have.
But receivers are not open everywhere.
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