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re: Defensive depth chart w/ questions (Football)
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:52 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:52 pm to bencoleman
Do you think O could have fired Aranda when he was an interim?
Nope.
Do you think any DA would let O kick Aranda to the curb?
O and E get lumped together because Aranda was putting out a great product before O was HC. O’s #1 job as HC was to make the offense better and let Aranda do his thing.
Nope.
Do you think any DA would let O kick Aranda to the curb?
O and E get lumped together because Aranda was putting out a great product before O was HC. O’s #1 job as HC was to make the offense better and let Aranda do his thing.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
What jump out at me was the versatility of the defense, there are many guys that can play multiple positions.This should allow Aranda to really be creative
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:53 pm to Topwater Trout
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think our defense was not put in many situations starting with their backs against the opponents goal line...compared to the rest of the NCAA. That would be a good outlier to know right?
base on what?
your imagination?
you think our offense was flipping field position on a regular basis?
the 2018 offense was the 2nd offense this century to be outside the top 40 in both rushing yards per carry and passing yards per attempt.
stop imagining that our offense was putting the defense in a position to succeed by flipping field position. its didnt happen. with 1 game left in the regular season we were averaging 384 yards per game (77th in yards per game)
, 80th in 3rd down conversion %, and 74th in offensive points per play.
there are no offensive statistics that point to our offense helping the defense.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:54 pm to bencoleman
Ben, if you could only retain 1 coach on our staff, who would it be?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Total D is not a great statistic tbh.
Scoring defense is better, a
Neither is really a notable metric in determining how good a defense actually is. They are both heavily affected by outside factors.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:55 pm to Topwater Trout
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when the offense has to drive over 70 yards on the LSU defense who is that helping? I think our defense was not put in many situations starting with their backs against the opponents goal line...compared to the rest of the NCAA. That would be a good outlier to know right?
Punting doesn’t mean they start on the 30.
A 40 yard punt from your 20 doesn’t put them on their 30.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:56 pm to thunderbird1100
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he defense gave up 25 points that game....twenty-five.
just like the A&M game where we gave up a 4th an 20ish...the rant melted and it wasn't about the offense. It was all pinned on the d in the peach bowl. Hell when we allowed bama to score at the end of each half to lose the complaints were mainly about our defense and the defense played out of their minds
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:57 pm to SammyTiger
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Punting doesn’t mean they start on the 30.
who said it does?
if you rank high in not turning the ball over do you think that helps your defense?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:57 pm to bencoleman
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Aranda is above criticism. They love to lump O and E together and act like Aranda is alone when it's actually O and A too. O is Aranda's boss.
yes, if people like and trout cant handle legit facts about O's tenure at lsu then aranda is above reproach.
when you and your cultists put a HC that hasn't proven he is elite abive reproach then a dv that has proven he is elite is above reproach.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Total D is not a great statistic tbh.
Scoring defense is better, and if you take out the A&M historic 7 overtimes, its top 10.
There are also other, more intricate measures available. Football Outsiders has a couple.
2018 S&P+ Rankings
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The S&P+ Ratings are a college football ratings system derived from the play-by-play data of all 800+ of a season's FBS college football games (and 140,000+ plays). S&P+ ratings are based around the core concepts of the Five Factors: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.
While turnovers do not play a significant role in offensive and defensive ratings, here are the factors that do:
Success Rate: A common Football Outsiders tool used to measure efficiency by determining whether every play of a given game was successful or not. The terms of success in college football: 50 percent of necessary yardage on first down, 70 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third and fourth down.
IsoPPP: An explosiveness measure derived from determining the equivalent point value of every yard line (based on the expected number of points an offense could expect to score from that yard line) and, therefore, every play of a given game. IsoPPP looks at only the per-play value of a team's successful plays (as defined by the Success Rate definition above); its goal is to separate the explosiveness component from the efficiency component altogether. For more information about IsoPPP, click here.
Opponent adjustments: Each team's output for a given category (Success Rate, IsoPPP, and split stats like rushing, passing, standard downs, passing downs, etc.) is compared to the expected output based upon their opponents. This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones. In the tables below, the "+" designation is for measures that are adjusted for opponent.
Garbage time adjustments:The S&P+ figures used in the tables below only look at the plays that took place while a game was deemed competitive. Garbage-time plays and possessions have been filtered out of the calculations. The criteria for "garbage time" are as follows: a game is not within 38 points in the second quarter, 28 points in the third quarter, or 22 points in the fourth quarter.
On the S&P+ rating, the LSU defense was #5.
2018 FEI Rankings
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2018 Defensive FEI Ratings (final)
Defensive Efficiency (DE) is the value generated per drive by a team's opponent offenses adjusted for starting field position. DFEI is defensive efficiency adjusted for the strength of opponent offenses faced. Defensive Drive Success rate (DDS) is the percentage of opponent offensive drives that generate value greater than the starting field position value of the drive. Available Yards percentage (DAY) is the total number of yards surrendered by the defense divided by the number of yards available to be earned based on starting field position. First Down Rate (DFD) is the percentage of opponent offensive drives that result in a touchdown or at least one first down. Touchdown Rate (DTD) is the percentage of opponent offensive drives that result in a touchdown. Touchdown Rate After First Down (DTF) is the percentage touchdowns scored on opponent offensive drives that earn at least one first down. Ball Control Rate (DBC) is the percentage of opponent offensive drives that last four plays or more. Turnover Rate (DTO) is the percentage of opponent offensive drives that result in a fumble or interception.
On the FEI rating, the LSU defense was #8.
The defense was not the problem in 2018. It wasn't even A problem. It was top tier and anyone arguing otherwise almost certainly has an agenda.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:58 pm to Topwater Trout
youre confusing hurting the defense and helping the defense.
a turnover hurts the defense.
a turnover hurts the defense.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:59 pm to Topwater Trout
trout,
if you could only keep 1 coach from our staff, which one would you keep?
if you could only keep 1 coach from our staff, which one would you keep?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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just like the A&M game where we gave up a 4th an 20ish...the rant melted and it wasn't about the offense. It was all pinned on the d in the peach bowl. Hell when we allowed bama to score at the end of each half to lose the complaints were mainly about our defense and the defense played out of their minds
Which is a problem within the fanbase, we're upset the defense "lost" the Clemson game when they gave up 25 points, meanwhile the offense did jack shite, scoring only 24 with at least 3 pretty short field opportunities.
I'm not sure how this is an argument at all against Chavis specifically, because some dumb fans pinned it on him after the game? Teams lose on final drives, Saban lost a national title to Clemson on a final drive 3 seasons ago.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:02 pm to thunderbird1100
Yeah I don’t get his point.
I was A fan of Chavis when he was here.
He also had much better talent. Especially on the DL.
I was A fan of Chavis when he was here.
He also had much better talent. Especially on the DL.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:03 pm to thunderbird1100
This is another reason why scoring defense sucks to use as a metric:
In 2016 opponents went 25 for 26 kicking FGs against us, that's an insanely high percentage, but that has pretty little to do with the defense itself. The national average that season says it would have been close to 19 for 26, but we just got really unlucky FG kickers basically didn't miss against us - and that goes against a stat like "scoring defense".
In 2010, opponents were 7 for 14 kicking FGs against us. It's just a crap shoot really how many FGs will be made against you.
In 2016 opponents went 25 for 26 kicking FGs against us, that's an insanely high percentage, but that has pretty little to do with the defense itself. The national average that season says it would have been close to 19 for 26, but we just got really unlucky FG kickers basically didn't miss against us - and that goes against a stat like "scoring defense".
In 2010, opponents were 7 for 14 kicking FGs against us. It's just a crap shoot really how many FGs will be made against you.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:04 pm to Topwater Trout
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just like the A&M game where we gave up a 4th an 20ish...the rant melted and it wasn't about the offens
as the dust settled i saw more people disgusted that the defense actually had to score just to tie the game and then handed the offense a win on a silver platter by forcing a turnover on downs.
once people realized that the defense gave up a total of 7 points and then scored a td from the start of second half all the way until the very last drive,they were more upset about the offense.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:04 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Aranda
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:04 pm to Ryan3232
Brooks will be in there by season’s end. One of the most versatile and athletic players that LSU has recruited in the last decade. Really excited to see this kid in purple and gold.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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once people realized that the defense gave up a total of 7 points and then scored a td from the start of second half all the way until the very last drive,they were more upset about the offense.
the offense sucked. The defense played light out in the 2nd half, not the 1st, but they still let the aggies drive the entire field with very little time left. Of course everyone wanted the offense to get a 1st down and kneel it for the win but you can't tell me with the way the defense was looking you weren't pretty confident we had the game won with our best unit and a lead on the field
Posted on 6/12/19 at 3:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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Fehoko started in front of him all last season after he moved to DE from NT, he will start in front of him this yea
Fehoko moves to center early last year. Logan started 10 of 13 games last year. Logan preseason last year vs one yr starting is a big difference.
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