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re: Defensive depth chart w/ questions (Football)
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:06 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:06 pm to SammyTiger
the defense gets blamed for Florida when they gave up 6 second half points
they get blamed for a&m when they handed the offense the game on a silver platter
here are the last 4 possessions of offense and defense before the game tying td.....
Defense
1. punt- win by the defense 3 and out
2. defensive td - win by the def
3. punt- win by the def 3 and out
4. forced turnover on downs
Offense
1. punt- loss by the offense 5 plays
2. punt- loss by the offense 3 and out
3.td- win by the offense
4. punt loss by the offense 3 and out
people expect the defense to be perfect so that the offense can be garbage
they get blamed for a&m when they handed the offense the game on a silver platter
here are the last 4 possessions of offense and defense before the game tying td.....
Defense
1. punt- win by the defense 3 and out
2. defensive td - win by the def
3. punt- win by the def 3 and out
4. forced turnover on downs
Offense
1. punt- loss by the offense 5 plays
2. punt- loss by the offense 3 and out
3.td- win by the offense
4. punt loss by the offense 3 and out
people expect the defense to be perfect so that the offense can be garbage
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:07 pm to Rickdaddy4188
My favorite is the “the defense just needed 1 stop” arguement
When the defense literally clearly needed more than 1 stop to clinch the game.
When the defense literally clearly needed more than 1 stop to clinch the game.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:12 pm to SammyTiger
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My favorite is the “the defense just needed 1 stop” arguement
When the defense literally clearly needed more than 1 stop to clinch the game.
And technically the defense got a stop fairly early in one of the OTs, and they kicked a FG which our offense matched
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:14 pm to SammyTiger
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My favorite is the “the defense just needed 1 stop” arguement
the irony in that statement is the offense needed a single 1st down and the game is over. the defense had just scored, forced a punt or forced a turnover on downs for 4 straight series and 7 of the last 8 series.
the defense had given up a total of 7 points the entire half
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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And technically the defense got a stop fairly early in one of the OTs, and they kicked a FG which our offense matched
they forced a fg in 2 of the 1st 4.
they forced a stopped and we settled for a fg and then during the 5th ot we threw the hb pass that was wide open. i have never been more frustrated with lsu td in my life. i was screaming....." why didnt we run that play to win the game?"
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
It was frustrating because it was an amazing play. It was set up so well. We ran it perfectly, and you really had to wonder where the frick was that play last OT?
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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Most of the "Abuse" he got was after he spurned us for A&M
wrong
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at times people got upset (ex. given in 2013 UGA/Bama games)
Clemson? 3rd and chavis was mentioned for years
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:27 pm to Topwater Trout
I mean Chavis was having rough years in 2014 and 2013
Again great overall numbers but he have 3 games over 30 points in 2014.
Aranda has had 4 games over 30 points in 3 years at LSU.
So again another reason outliers matter.
Again great overall numbers but he have 3 games over 30 points in 2014.
Aranda has had 4 games over 30 points in 3 years at LSU.
So again another reason outliers matter.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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its glorious watching you bash a lsu coach that has proven to be elite while placing O above reproach while he has proven nothing except he can win at a rate the last coach was fired for.
The fact that you can come to this conclusion is why dealing with you is pointless. I am not bashing DA you moron. Why do you think he is above criticism? Thunderbird has pretty much stated in this thread that DA isn't something we haven't had before...you know we had great defenses prior to his arrival right?
You are happy with the 25th ranked defense? that is lowering the bar when it comes to LSU standards
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paired with an offense that was 80th in 3rd down conversion % for 11 weeks and 79th in punts per play for 11 weeks.
the offense sucked. Is there really a need to argue that...who disagrees? You are leaving out the fact that our offense was good at not turning the ball over...I guess that doesn't help a defense? I imagine our defense had some of the best starting field position defensively in NCAA last year.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:34 pm to SammyTiger
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was frustrating because it was an amazing play. It was set up so well. We ran it perfectly, and you really had to wonder where the frick was that play last OT?
exactly. it was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:35 pm to Topwater Trout
Punting instead of turning the ball over doesn’t mean you’ve got good field position.
Go look at how that went vs Florida.
LSu got pinned back and traded punts until Florida was starting on the 43.
How many of our TDs came because the defense gave us great starting position?
Go look at how that went vs Florida.
LSu got pinned back and traded punts until Florida was starting on the 43.
How many of our TDs came because the defense gave us great starting position?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:37 pm to Topwater Trout
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The fact that you can come to this conclusion is why dealing with you is pointless. I am not bashing DA you moron
Aranda is above criticism. They love to lump O and E together and act like Aranda is alone when it's actually O and A too. O is Aranda's boss.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:38 pm to SammyTiger
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So again another reason outliers matter.
When did I ever say they didn't matter? But how far do you want to go with them? for ex Should we say well we faced 5 top 25 offenses in 2013 and 1 in 2015 when comparing years? where does it stop?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:41 pm to bencoleman
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Aranda is above criticism.
I've never seen anything like it and then the dumbasses want to call people out for being hypocrites when they won't be critical of anyone but O and SE...I am critical of O but here is the kicker...I don't think he should be fired.
Ricky actually said yesterday O will never win an sec championship. How can you make that statement and pull for the team to win?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:44 pm to SammyTiger
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Punting instead of turning the ball over doesn’t mean you’ve got good field position.
when the offense has to drive over 70 yards on the LSU defense who is that helping? I think our defense was not put in many situations starting with their backs against the opponents goal line...compared to the rest of the NCAA. That would be a good outlier to know right?
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How many of our TDs came because the defense gave us great starting position?
That's what great defenses do
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:44 pm to bencoleman
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Aranda is above criticism.
No he's not, he's open to criticism for his failings just like other coaches, sorry if other coaches just happen to be responsible for more failings that it appears they get much more than Aranda.
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They love to lump O and E together
Seems pertinent given how involved O has made himself in the offense and that E (not Aranda) was O's coordinator hire. Also considering that the pitiful offensive performance (the weak link of the team) falls at their feet.
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and act like Aranda is alone when it's actually O and A too.
Sure. They can both share responsibility for the lack of talent and development on the DL if you want, especially considering that is directly in O's wheelhouse.
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O is Aranda's boss.
Believe me, no one needs reminding.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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The fact that you can come to this conclusion is why dealing with you is pointless. I am not bashing DA you moron
just like im not bashing O?
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Why do you think he is above criticism
why do you think O is above criticism?
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You are happy with the 25th ranked defense?
youre happy with 4 and 3 losses every year?
the difference is aranda has proven a down year is the outlier while O has proven 4 and 3 losses is the pinnacle of his career.
you seem perfectly fine crticizing one and then have a problem with stating facts about O.
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that is lowering the bar when it comes to LSU standards
just like losing 4 and 3 games while having a shite offense was incessantly bashed by you until we hired your deity and now all the sudden losing to multiple inferior teams and having a shite offense is labeled moving in the right direction by you.
its amazing that you cant see your rank hypocrisy when discussing O and then discussing aranda.
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uess that doesn't help a defense? I imagine our defense had some of the best starting field position defensively in NCAA last year
so you admit our offense sucked yet in the last sentence youre suggesting our offense routinely flipped field positions?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:49 pm to Topwater Trout
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When did I ever say they didn't matter?
You’re using a data set greatly adjusted by an outlier to prove your point.
So if you haven’t said they don’t matter, you’ve definitely acted like they don’t.
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for ex Should we say well we faced 5 top 25 offenses in 2013 and 1 in 2015 when comparing years? where does it stop?
You shouldn’t ignore any of that. Of course not. Why would you? It’s all a factor.
And when evaluating a data set like PPG, you can’t ignore an outlier. And mathematically that A&M game is an outlier.l that greatly changes the PPG.
We had the Same PPG as Marshall.
Yet it’s pretty obvious our Defense even compared to our schedule was much better.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:51 pm to Topwater Trout
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wrong
You're just trying to re-write history to suit your own argument.
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Clemson? 3rd and chavis was mentioned for years
The defense gave up 25 points that game....twenty-five.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 2:51 pm to SoloTiger
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It’s time for Aranda to produce another Top 5 Defense and justify his salary.
LSU finished #5 in total D in ‘16, but only #18 and #25 the past 2 years.
Time to be elite again with talent returning.
Total D is not a great statistic tbh.
Scoring defense is better, and if you take out the A&M historic 7 overtimes, its top 10.
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