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DBU origins? Was it Corey Raymond?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:40 am
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:40 am
I was trying to look it up. Who all does Corey Raymond get credit for as far as DBU goes? To me, the best defensive backfield LSU ever had was probably 2010 or 2011 right?
You had, before PP7 left, Him, Mo Claiborne, Tyrann Matheiu, Ron Brooks, Baker? at safety, #26 im drawing a blank on what his name was, and Eric Reid. Was that Corey Raymond? or was he after with like.. Jalen Mills... and Jalen Collins moving forward?
You had, before PP7 left, Him, Mo Claiborne, Tyrann Matheiu, Ron Brooks, Baker? at safety, #26 im drawing a blank on what his name was, and Eric Reid. Was that Corey Raymond? or was he after with like.. Jalen Mills... and Jalen Collins moving forward?
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:43 am to Ebridg3
quote:Definitely not Raymond, it was Cooper.
DBU origins? Was it Corey Raymond?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:50 am to Ebridg3
Saban to Bo Pelini to Ron Cooper
Cooper started that Patrick Peterson -> Tyrann Mathieu run but we had great DBs before them too
Cooper started that Patrick Peterson -> Tyrann Mathieu run but we had great DBs before them too
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:52 am to Ebridg3
Look up Hookfin and his teammates/fellow DBs. That's where it really started but without the moniker. They set the gold standard with turnovers, which to me is THE metric with good pass D all around. DB coach was Harbison.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 7:54 am to JimTiger72
Ryan Clark, Corey Webster, Travis Daniels some of the OGs
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:02 am to Ebridg3
DBU originater is Nick Saban, let’s just be honest. He made guys like Hookfin and Randall Gay into nfl players and recruited Webster, Laron Landry, etc. Ron Cooper and Raymond just continued what he started.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:05 am to MOT
quote:
Definitely not Raymond, it was Cooper.
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU. The prolific periods was undeniably under Raymond (2012-2021)
Patrick Peterson (2011 5th overall, 138 starts, 3x All-Pro)
Tyrann Mathieu (2013 third round, 89 starts, 2x All-Pro)
Jamal Adams (2017 6th overall, 46 starts, All-Pro)
Tre'Davious White (2017 first round, 47 starts, All-Pro)
Morris Claiborne (2012 6th overall, 74 starts)
Eric Reid (2013 first round, 98 starts)
Donte Jackson (2018 second round, 26 starts)
Jalen Collins (2015 second round, 8 starts)
Jalen Mills (2016 seventh round, 34 starts)
Greedy Williams (2019 second round, 12 starts)
Delvin Breaux (2012 undrafted, 22 starts)
Ron Brooks (2012 fourth round, 8 starts)
Rashard Robinson (2016 fourth round, 15 starts)
Brandon Taylor (2012 third round, 1 start)
Chad Jones (2010 third round)
Danny McCray (2010 undrafted, 10 starts)
Tharold Simon (2013 fifth round, 5 starts)
Kevin Toliver (2018 undrafted, 2 starts)
Chris Hawkins (2010 undrafted)
Craig Loston (2014 undrafted)
Roland Martin (2015 undrafted)
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:09 am to Ebridg3
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DBU origins? Was it Corey Raymond?
Corey Raymond gets the most credit by the media but honestly Saban started it and Bo Pelini continued it for 3 years then Ron Cooper took it to another level and Raymond kept it going after that.
Rightfully everyone talks about 2010 and 2011 as the best Secondaries we had. But 2003 isn't far behind. Travis Daniels and Corey Webster at outside corner with Randall Gay at nickle and LaRon Landry at Safety. The weakest link of all those teams is Jack Hunt but he still had a solid season as one of the leaders of the team.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:10 am to MOT
quote:
it was Cooper.
bullshite. All those great DBs were recruited by other members of the coaching staff
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:17 am to saintslsupels
It’s wild for anyone to think DBU wasn’t started with Nick Saban as HC, Muschamp as DC, & Kirby Smart as DB coach.
Pretty obvious. Produced guys like Ryan Clark, C-Web, Travis Daniels
On to Pelini & Doug Mallory 2005-2008
Laron Landry
Chevis Jackson
Craig Steltz
Jai Eugene
Jonathan Zenon
Ron Cooper 2009-2011
Chad Jones
Pat Pete
Mo Claiborne
Brandon Taylor
Tyrann Mathieu
Ron Brooks
Craig Loston
Cooper also brought in:
Eric Reid
Tharold Simon
Jalen Collins
Raymond took over what they started & pretty much killed it by 2021
Pretty obvious. Produced guys like Ryan Clark, C-Web, Travis Daniels
On to Pelini & Doug Mallory 2005-2008
Laron Landry
Chevis Jackson
Craig Steltz
Jai Eugene
Jonathan Zenon
Ron Cooper 2009-2011
Chad Jones
Pat Pete
Mo Claiborne
Brandon Taylor
Tyrann Mathieu
Ron Brooks
Craig Loston
Cooper also brought in:
Eric Reid
Tharold Simon
Jalen Collins
Raymond took over what they started & pretty much killed it by 2021
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 8:25 am
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:25 am to Ebridg3
quote:
DBU origins?
The Saban regime
They got the talent level up, coached them guys up and got us known as a stout defensive team (mostly) year-in, year-out. DCs/ staffs after that kept it up (again, mostly) and the accolades flowed.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:36 am to IM_4_LSU
quote:
Rightfully everyone talks about 2010 and 2011 as the best Secondaries we had. But 2003 isn't far behind.
'03 was a better secondary than '10 from an actually performance standpoint. '10 probably had the most talent ever, but wasn't quite "there yet" because a lotta guys were young (Reid, Tharold, Tyrann) and weren't quite starters yet.
Karnell Hatcher started most of 2010 at safety, Reid didn't become a starter until Brandon Taylor got hurt late in the year.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:40 am to Ebridg3
Cooper started it, Raymond continued it
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:41 am to Ebridg3
quote:
DBU origins?
As others have said, the production started with Saban. Raymond gets a lot of credit b/c he did it for longer than anyone else. Ron Cooper had a short stint here where our DBs were amazing. According to others, it seems that Cooper didn't recruit a lot of those guys, but I don't remember that well enough to state that as a fact. But the phrase DBU became synonymous with LSU while Raymond was here. It may have been used a time or two before that, but when Raymond left LSU was known as DBU nationally.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:47 am to Ebridg3
Has LSU made an official announcement yet on his return?
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:47 am to JimTiger72
We were DBU long before Saban. In the early 90s we had Raymond, Mccorvey, Buckles, Adams and Marshall then right after Walker, James, Roman, Hilliard and Twillie. Then Donaldson, Cummings, Lejeune, the 2 Hills and Booker and to round out the decade Clark, James, Leblanc, Hookfin and Davis with a lot of overlap between all those groups. Those secondaries all had multiple NFL guys, some #1 NFL corners and safeties among them.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:57 am to Madking
Yeah & it started in the 60s and 70s with Stovall & Casanova too 
Nobody goes back that far in the discussion of “DBU”.
Nobody goes back that far in the discussion of “DBU”.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 8:59 am to The First Cut
quote:
Cooper was 2009-2011. PP7 was awesome but one player doesn't make a school DBU.
one player?? About half of the 21 guys you listed are Ron Cooper guys
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:08 am to Ebridg3
Have always hated the "DBU" thing. Makes it sound like LSU is some niche upstart. LSU is "Football U." The only thing ever missing was legendary QB play, and now we have that.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 9:08 am to JimTiger72
quote:
Ron Cooper
RESPEK...
quote:
Ron Cooper, coached the LSU Tigers defensive backs for three seasons.
Cooper had been responsible for overseeing perhaps the nation's top secondary in 2011 as the Tigers feature two national award winners in Morris Claiborne (Thorpe Award) and Tyrann Mathieu (Bednarik Award). Claiborne (SEC Coaches) and Mathieu (AP) each picked up SEC Defensive Player of the Year honors in 2011. It was the second straight year that LSU featured the Thorpe and Bednarik Award winners along with the SEC Defensive Player of the Year. Patrick Peterson claimed all three honors in 2010 before being taken with the fifth overall pick in the NFL Draft.[additional citation(s) needed]
As a unit, LSU's secondary accounted for 16 interceptions, nine fumble recoveries and 12 forced fumbles as the Tigers led the nation in turnover margin (+1.69) and ranked fifth in total interceptions with 18. LSU allowed just seven passing touchdowns all season, the fewest by a Tiger team since limiting opponents to only five in 1989.
In his first two years with the Tigers, Cooper's expertise coaching the secondary was evident as LSU had one of the best defensive backfields in the country. LSU led the SEC and ranked 10th in the nation in pass defense allowing 169.8 yards per game.[additional citation(s) needed]
Cooper's first year at LSU saw Peterson earn second team All-America honors, while safety Chad Jones was picked in the third round of the NFL Draft.
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