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Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:22 am to Tiger_n_ATL
[quote]It was a horrible article, very confusing.
How so? Example please.
One of the worst I have read in the Advocate in months. He contradicted himself like 3 times in that article.
Once again, please give us an example. If you cannot, you are simply another loudmouth kid playing with your mommy's computer.
How so? Example please.
One of the worst I have read in the Advocate in months. He contradicted himself like 3 times in that article.
Once again, please give us an example. If you cannot, you are simply another loudmouth kid playing with your mommy's computer.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:35 am to roygu
wait
who was our goal line back against MSU?
who was our goal line back against MSU?
Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:36 am to eelsuee
quote:
Hester moved the chains better than nearly every back in school history.
holy shite when will the superlatives stop?
Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:41 am to rtgr
it wasn't confusing as much as just simplistic, but he tries to analyze stats and doesn't even really analyze them
he just makes assumptions like how hester's insane # of carries inside the opponent's 5 yard line will be a big enough % of his total # of carries to drop his ypc way down. where is the evidence?
why doesn't he go through all of hester's carries and KWs carries, take out all carries inside the opponent's 5-10 yardline, and then see what their average ypc is? oh yeah, he doesn't because that would take work
there is a lot more analysis that can be done on this issue, but he just wrote your average blue collar article for a blue collar audience. i expect nothing less than a newspaper that is scared to death of having LSU mad at them
he just makes assumptions like how hester's insane # of carries inside the opponent's 5 yard line will be a big enough % of his total # of carries to drop his ypc way down. where is the evidence?
why doesn't he go through all of hester's carries and KWs carries, take out all carries inside the opponent's 5-10 yardline, and then see what their average ypc is? oh yeah, he doesn't because that would take work
there is a lot more analysis that can be done on this issue, but he just wrote your average blue collar article for a blue collar audience. i expect nothing less than a newspaper that is scared to death of having LSU mad at them
Posted on 8/14/08 at 10:18 am to eelsuee
quote:
You are comparing a homerun hitter with a guy who bats 400.
Jacob Hester = Ted Williams
Posted on 8/14/08 at 10:24 am to rtgr
quote:
How so? Example please.
"Scott’s average will drop this year. Why? He’ll get far more short-yardage calls." WTF? Who says?
"Now he just has to explain why punter Patrick Fisher didn’t pass more in 2007. He completed 100 percent of his passes for an average of 9 yards per attempt." Dumb.
"His one and only attempt." Brilliant.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 10:31 am to eelsuee
quote:
... a guy who bats 400. Hester ...
.330 tops more like Wade Boggs
Posted on 8/14/08 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
You'd think anyone who watched LSU closely last season wouldn't need statistical evidence that:
-- Hester was clearly the short-yardage back.
-- Scott is the only one of the four (Scott, Holliday, Williams, Murphy) with the body type and makeup to be the lead short-yardage back.
-- You can't gain 7 yards from inside the 2.
Crowton pretty much said all three on that video from Media Day someone posted here. Seems pretty cut and dried. I don't think the column was meant to counter every ranter argument as to why Hester shouldn't have had the ball so much last year. I think it was only to show that yards-per-carry stats can be misleading.
-- Hester was clearly the short-yardage back.
-- Scott is the only one of the four (Scott, Holliday, Williams, Murphy) with the body type and makeup to be the lead short-yardage back.
-- You can't gain 7 yards from inside the 2.
Crowton pretty much said all three on that video from Media Day someone posted here. Seems pretty cut and dried. I don't think the column was meant to counter every ranter argument as to why Hester shouldn't have had the ball so much last year. I think it was only to show that yards-per-carry stats can be misleading.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:He was the best skill player on the national championship team which was also the highest scoring(and ypg) offense in school history. The coaches who lead the highest scoring offense in school history obviously thought he was the best RB, or he wouldn't have started and gotten more carries than the other guys. By the end of the season, you could argue that Byrd was the best skill player, but over the whole season Hester was much better. The best skill player on the best offense in school history obviously excelled at something despite you insisting that the coaches didn't know who their best RB was.
holy shite when will the superlatives stop?
Posted on 8/14/08 at 1:39 pm to eelsuee
quote:
He was the best skill player
While I agree he was the best and most complete RB, he wasn't the best skill player.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 1:41 pm to Louie T
quote:One example please?
While I agree he was the best and most complete RB, he wasn't the best skill player.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 1:53 pm to Louie T
quote:
While I agree he was the best and most complete RB, he wasn't the best skill player.
Would you call having the ability to change direction when the hole is plugged, swivel your shoulders and plow through a narrow gap, then hit the weakest area and in addition possess the strength and body lean to maximize forward progress a skill or talent.
Hester consistently did it all season long and apparently is making the same plays with San Diego.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 5:56 pm to Louie T
SFP, Louie T?
No example of which skill player did more to make last year the highest scoring offense in LSU history?
No example of which skill player did more to make last year the highest scoring offense in LSU history?
Posted on 8/14/08 at 6:00 pm to eelsuee
quote:
One example please?
keiland williams
charles scott
d byrd
b lafell
r dickson
flynn
RP
This post was edited on 8/14/08 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 8/14/08 at 6:03 pm to Maximus
I agree with you on most things. I think KW is a great back and will be in the NFL. I just don't see the need to downplay anything Hester did to combat Rantarded bullshite about Keiland or even JR. I was fine with Hester playing. 
Posted on 8/14/08 at 6:03 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
saying somebody is better than hester is not downplaying anything hester did
and saying KW was our goaline back against MSU = fact
and saying KW was our goaline back against MSU = fact
Posted on 8/14/08 at 6:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
saying somebody is better than hester is not downplaying anything hester did
and saying KW was our goaline back against MSU = fact
I'm not referring to that statement in particular. You guys always shite on that guy while arguing in KW's defense.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'd put Hester above Flynn.
Posted on 8/14/08 at 9:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
You don't understand the difference between "most talented" and "best". In the 2007 season, nobody you mentioned was better than Hester. You even listed two of his backups
Once again list ONE skill player that was better than Hester in 2007, and this time at least try to backup your claim.
quote:These were backups to Hester, and you failing to recognize that Miles/Crowton made them backups demonstrates your knowledge.
keiland williams
charles scott
quote:Two talented guys and Byrd was good by the end of the season, but both of these guys only made solid contributions for about half the season. Byrd in the second half and Lafell in the first few games and the last few games.
d byrd
b lafell
quote:A good TE but with 375 yards on the season he mostly kept defenses honest.
r dickson
quote:You could make an argument, but when you lose a #1 overall QB and two first round WR's and your offense improves maybe you should take a look at the running game.
flynn
quote:Young talent, possibly could have been better, but in 2007 it wasn't even close.
RP
Once again list ONE skill player that was better than Hester in 2007, and this time at least try to backup your claim.
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